On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Kellett <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> The only sort of existence for which we have concrete evidence is physical > existence. We can understand imaginary things, but we have no direct > evidence for their existence -- certainly not for their physical existence. > Do you acknowledge that we have no evidence that such things do not exist? And therefore, we should at least remain agnostic on the idea rather than reject the idea out of hand? Jason > > > Bruce > > > > On 26/10/2015 2:44 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > > There it is again. Where is your evidence? Or are you led by your faith? > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> > wrote: > >> >> On 10/25/2015 5:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Brent Meeker < <meeke...@verizon.net> >> meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 10/25/2015 8:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Bruce Kellett < >>> <bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> >>>> On 25/10/2015 6:12 pm, Pierz wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's hard to see how physics can be self-consistent without the a >>>>> priori existence of arithmetic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe it is because the self-consistency of physics is what makes >>>> arithmetic possible. >>>> >>>> Though admittedly that is a different point to whether or not physics >>>>> is "emulated" in arithmetic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> True. But no-one has yet emulated any physics in arithmetic. All the we >>>> have is mathematical accounts of discovered physical laws -- arithmetic >>>> based in physics. >>> >>> >>> I recently replied to someone on the FOAR list who expressed a similar >>> criticism: >>> >>> Something has to "run" the math... ;) electricity or not. >>>> >>> >>> Isn't this being a bit one-sided? >>> Physics can run itself, but objects in math cannot. >>> A physical universe can exist independently of anything else, but a >>> mathematical object cannot. >>> A physical computation can result in consciousness, a mathematical >>> computation results in nothing. >>> >>> From where does such bias originate? >>> >>> >>> From experience as a physical being. >>> >> >> Your experience provides evidence for the existence of the physical >> universe, but don't confuse this for evidence of the non-existence of >> anything outside the physical universe. >> >> >> You mean don't confuse it with existence of imaginary things? >> >> Brent >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
