On 29/10/2015 4:25 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Oct 2015, at 05:40, Bruce Kellett wrote:

I think Carroll's Paradox (or 'What the Tortoise Said to Achilles') effectively undermines computationalism, or any argument that arithmetic is prior to physics.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Tortoise_Said_to_Achilles

In order to escape the paradox, you have to resort to a formalist approach, and that renders the formalism devoid of semantic content.

Only because we forget one half of computer science.

It is already a problem when engineers do that, but if the philosophers do that, where are we going (grin)

Typically the machine itself when ideally correct avoid the mistakes, and separate G from G*, proof and truth, and consistency. The machine has the resource to understand the difference between syntax and semantics.

Only if that comes from outside the machine. Otherwise you are merely shuffling symbols, and Carroll's paradox hits with full force.

Bruce

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