Hello John,
On 20 Sep 2016, at 21:02, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
we are still in the anthropocentric/anthropomorphic failure to
equate EVERYTHING with our humanbased experience.
I am not sure, although what you say might be related to the
Aristotelian idea that what we experience/see/measure is what is real.
But the history of science shows that very often big progress comes
when people guess that there is something behind what we see and
behind the human based experience we live, and which is indeed
plausibly only a symptom of what we do not know.
Mathematics, as a science, is (slowly) born from the doubt with
respect to Aristotle theology. Then, when it worlks, we tend to forget
the origin, or to dismiss it for some reason (usually related to power).
Recently I have discovered that even the modern mathematical logic is
born from theological problems, notably how to get rigorous in that
field. Again, once the science is born, there has been
professionalization pressures to dismiss the original problems and
motivations.
Organisms without brain-tissue do not exercise brain-functions as we
THINK they do occur in our 'head' (guts?)
In which theory? With mechanism, all entities think in basically the
same way. And all entities which introspect eneough know that even the
head and the neurons are "in our head" (note the pun). I mean that
neuron are good local approximations of something, but is not the
"real" thing.
and do not develop similar thoughts to us - the ways we try to
understand our own thinking through neurons(?).
That is why we submit theories and abandon them when they do not work.
And if they work, no serious/honest scientists will ever claim that
they are true.
We can't decide to not build theories under the pretext they are
biased by our neurons and experiences. It is only by making our
theories precise enough to be REFUTED that we can learn and discover
that we are missing something.
We never known the 3p truth as such, but can only learn by building
theories and confronting them with facts and other theories.
Bruno
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 16 Sep 2016, at 23:11, Jason Resch wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3792036/Do-trees-brains.html
It is my feeling too, and there are many evidences for some form of
thought, and I read (where?) that even at the molecular level, there
are some biochemical similarity with animal's neuron at the
extremity of some roots.
Now it is hard to conclude anything at this stage, but the idea is
cute, and, as I said sometimes, it is less ethically grave to
attribute consciousness wrongly than to dismiss consciousness wrongly.
A tree, to another tree: ---- do you think animals can think?
--- What? No! they are too much agitated for that!
Bruno
Jason
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