On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 7:49:20 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 05:54:22PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > In our case, Brent was advertizing materialism or physicalism by > > referring to the high predictive power of the physical laws. That is > > the point which is inconsistent when we assume digital mechanism. > > > > I didn't think Brent was doing that - but maybe Brent can chime > in. 'Nuff said. > > Heaven's sake guys, what a grave sin by Brent! :-)
Bruno building a wall again to protect some interpretation of computationalism and making believers in primary matter pay for it? Throwing everybody who has a record of assuming primary matter into jail? The grand computationalist inquisition? With that reasoning Bruno would have to jail Brent, Russell, Telmo, me, as well as himself. Stating to "not have a problem with physicists", and then going on to imply somewhat a state-of-affairs such that any agent/entity/observer who uses reason without reading Bruno's publications is plausibly guilty of invoking a primary physical universe to justify predictions... as if he had some monopoly to the justified authority of pure reason itself; that's quite funny and evidence of Bruno's fine sense of humor. Playing computationalist police? Thou shalt pay your dues to the god of mechanism! Sole arbiter of the one true power! Respect reason's Messiah on earth and don't fumble with the origins of physical laws... in other words: if you use reason, accept the pope of mechanism! The shit's patented. Pay up. lol AFAIK he'll still brew his coffee that way and bet on a range of different kinds of primary matter and their behavior, including fluids + temperature over time, or that lightning won't strike him for hurting the coffee beans by predicting a hurricane, even though he deems these things to be incompatible with computationalism. Like he derives the time to turn off the heat to his coffee pot from dovetailer branch probabilities! Nice Christmas banter guys; the list got fun for a moment, which given all the fundamental searching for pure curiosity's sake is quite a feat! Because that fundamental searching is most definitely very grave and serious; not a laughing matter at all. Enjoyment verboten, if not a little bit in the background! AHA!!! How do you KNOW what is background or not? Maybe a Christmas lecture on how to brew a dovetailer coffee WITHOUT resorting to naive algorithms based on nothing but predictable physical behavior of all objects and observers involved (yeah, yeah while failing to explain the origin of physical laws) would be nice? I'd certainly sign up and take notes... Yeah, it could all be beautiful and true but what if god were less obvious or not around? Aesthetically, the fun and games here exhibit the usual over-reliance on consistency and hopefully everybody sees the humor of it. Bruno does invoke a primary physical universe for that cup of coffee. Regardless of whether it's the Bruno in Moscow or the one in Brussels. Shiver me timbers and call me woody: Bruno drinks dark matter => Do we all realize the seriousness of this original contribution to science? Really? Not quite, but it's nice to see how much time everybody has. Large parts of the drama here are better represented in the literature concerning controversies between platonists/realists, nominalists, universals, formalists and all that history of splitting hairs. But sure, this list with its awesome opinions has the brains to solve these things once and for all! Forward with the inquisition! Heathens- all of you! Happy Holidays, ye nerds! Hope you survive the Trumpocalypse with minimal exposure to excremental dark matter in your news streams, which Telmo had to bring up, but which is undeniably here so the messenger cannot be shot. Regardless of ontological commitments... Dark matter just got real lol. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
