On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 at 5:20 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ​> ​
>> Physical computation needs matter, because a physical computation is a
>> mathematical computation implemented in a physical, material, environment.
>> ​ ​
>> But computations does not need matter,
>>
>
> ​Suppose just for ​
> ​the sake ​of argument that non-physical computations did not exist, how
> would our physical world be different? There would be no difference.
> Therefore either
> non-physical computations
> ​ do not exist or they do but are utterly unimportant, rather like the ​l
> uminiferous aether
> ​.​
>

This is equivalent to supposing that mathematical Platonism is false.

​> ​
>> Mathematical computations exist in arithmetic, in the sense that they can
>> be shown to exists in all interpretations of Robinson Arithmetic
>>
> ​ [...]
>>
>
> Oh no, we're back to Robinson Arithmetic
> ​ again! It's time for you to put your money where your mouth is, it's
> time for you to start the ​
> Robinson
> ​ Computer Corporation and become the richest man on earth. ​
>
>
>> ​> ​
>> Here you beg the question of materialism by defining "computation" by
>> "physical implementation of a mathematical computation".
>>
>
> ​Definitions suck. Examples rule.​
>
>
>
>>> ​>> ​
>>> So which ONE of us has "*THE* 1-p you"?
>>
>>
>> ​> ​
>> Both.
>>
>
> ​If it can't distinguish anything then why the hell did you invent the
> idiotic term??​
>
>  John K Clark
>
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