2017-05-03 17:44 GMT+02:00 Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net>: > > > On 5/3/2017 2:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 May 2017, at 20:21, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2017 1:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Your answer seems to be that physics can be an illusion of digital > thought, therefore primary physics is otiose. But thought can't be a > consequence of physics because....well you just don't see how it could be. > > > Not at all. It cannot be because you need to give a role to the primary > matter which is not emulable by the UD, nor FPI-recoverable. > > > The obvious "role" is that some things exist and some don't. I don't know > anyone who calls this "primary matter", but it's what is not UD emulable. > > > To reify something for which we have no evidence, just to avoid a problem, > > > You mean something like other worlds, just to make your theory simpler. I > would never accuse you of religious dogma for that. > > is a bit like a pseudo-religious move, like invoking a miracle or a god. > You have to explain more on how that primary matter succeeds in linking the > computational histories with consciousness. If it is non Turing emulable, I > don't see why we could remain confident in a digital brain transplant. > > > You're the one that says physics is non-Turing emulable - a consequence of > assuming an infinite number of worlds. >
You're playing with words here, indeed if mind is computational, not-mind aka physics is not... Quentin > > > Brent > > > > Bruno > > > > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
