On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 at 4:13 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> >> >>> You're free to act as you like. I wouldn't behave that way but there is >>> no disputing matters of taste. B >>> ut I thought we were talking about the nature of reality not the likes, >>> dislikes, and superstitions of individuals. >>> >>> >> >> > >> The objective facts (how many copies where) are not being disputed by >> anyone in this prolonged discussion. >> > > But I am disputing that. There may be 1000 copies of Stathis > Papaioannou's brain and body operating in the future but if they are all > identical then there is only one Stathis Papaioannou until one of them sees > something the others don't and so are no longer identical. > > >>> >> >>> For me that would depend entirely on how up to date the copy is, >>> >>> if the copy were made right now I wouldn't mind being blown up in a >>> bomb right now. So how long is now? About a second, maybe 2, whatever is >>> less time than would be needed to have a last thought because having a last >>> thought is the thing I personally don't like about death. That's probably >>> because I don't have thoughts I am thoughts, "I" is a specific sequence of >>> thoughts. >>> >> >> > >> So you agree you could survive if the original was destroyed and a copy >> made, >> > > Yes. > > > >> > >> but the question is how to calculate the probability of ending up a >> particular copy when multiple copies were made. >> >> You have stated repeatedly that the question is nonsensical, >> > > Yes. > > >> > >> but you haven't answered what you would actually do in the example I >> gave: you will be copied to two cities, 1000 copies in A and 1 copy in B, >> and the original instantly destroyed. You have the option prior to the >> duplication of arranging for (i) a reward for the 1000 copies that will be >> created in A, or (ii) the 1 copy that will be created in B, >> > > If we're talking totally selfish reasons and I intended to keep that > reward for myself then I can see no difference between one choice over the > other, but at least this time the question is not nonsensical. However if > I'm not a totally selfish bastard and there was a charity I liked and > before the copying I decided to give whatever reward I got to that charity > then I'd pick A because they'd get 1000 times as much. > If you choose (ii) there would be one happy John Clark but 1000 unhappy ones, kicking themselves for making a stupid decision. Hence, through bitter experience, most of the John Clarks in the world will change their minds about what to expect in future duplication experiments. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
