Hi Bruno, > I have a lot of sympathy for the quote above, as you can guess, which are > all rather close to the "theology of number", but my Lôbian Fear get trigged > by the terming "perfectly benevolent". > > The Lôbian machine can understand intellectually that "she", the ultimate > owner of the consciousness is not in its Gödel Number/body, but is shared by > *all* Relative Numbers. Even more awkward is the fact that the Löbian > machine can experienced it, in the 1p way, although not in a communicable or > justifiable way. The relative number can linked with their absolute origin > remaining a conscious person.
I know... > It is all good, but saying this, is NOT benevolent. Of course, it is an > infinite relief for the prey when in the mouse of the predators, but in the > average, if it is said and understood, even more if experienced, it does not > help the prey to avoid the predators, and it does not help the predators to > hunt and kill the prey. > > A brain is mainly a machine to hide the truth, at the frontier between the > computable and the non computable (in arithmetic, but any applicative > algebra would do). Would you say that hiding the truth is what permits the diversity of experiences? > The problem in the understanding that we are the same person is that > "misunderstood" it lead to the theological trap of threatening life (and > even afterlife actually). What do you mean by threatening afterlife? > The Mechanist machine (the machine betting on mechanism (so p is sigma_1)) > knows that p <-> []p. > > She can justify all the p -> []p, but she can't justify all the []p -> p. > The "illumination result" is kept in the G* minus G corona. G* minus G is > the reservoir of the blasphem; that is the truth which go without sating, > and lead to the contrary when said. Hell is really paved with the good > intentions. > > Also, nationalism, and nature can acts in that way in a restricted sense, > like when all the people of some group recognize themselves in a common self > as opposed to another group. Not all people can get to the source, and > sometimes failed attempts leads to fake religion and hate. It can transform > a child into bomb. It leads to paradoxical aspect of the unlimited freedom > of the Mindscape. What about this enhanced Golden Rule: Do unto others *as they want done to themselves*, the other is you but locally constrained by different memories, this with possibly different preferences. But to make matters more complicated: Masochist: please hurt me! Sadist: I will not! > So it is benevolent from the Heaven points of view, but can be > self-destructive on the terrestrial (effective, locally computable) view. > > The atheists are right: religion can be dangerous, but then they want to > throw it out completely (which makes no sense). It needs to be fixed, and > well, it is not easy, because by separating religion from science, we help > all the charlatans and make it impossible the field to progress. > > Nice post Jason. Very interesting paper Telmo, we have already discussed > some point, and if I remember well, we did already talk on the "theological > trap" problem at that occasion. I hope what I say here make sense. There are > also relation with the ethical use of psychotropes, If you can expand on this when you have time, please do. Telmo. > Bruno > > > "The Wise shut up" (Lao-Tseu) > "The Wise shut up, ... and believe me, I am Wise!" (Trump) > > > > > > >> >> >> > Another consideration is that so long as the ratio of superintelligences >> > that clone themselves remains greater than the ratio of >> > superintelligences >> > that modify their utility function to become inert (over some period of >> > time) remains greater than 1, it seems they will be subject to darwinian >> > forces and will be selected for those with lower rates of modifying >> > their >> > utility function to become inert. >> >> Agreed. When I talk about superintelligences becoming inert, I am not >> making a prediction. I am just trying to take a certain way of >> thinking to its ultimate consequences. >> >> > Overall your paper leads to a great number of interesting topics that >> > deserve further exploration. Thanks for sharing it. >> >> Thanks for saying that! >> > > You're welcome. :-) > > Jason > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
