On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:29:11 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 12/3/2017 5:11 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-6, [email protected] 
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>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 7:42:30 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: 
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>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:55:04 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: 
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>>>> I can understand how in the darwinian sense, it could makes predators 
>>>> and prey less successful.  But in the sense of humans, who have 
>>>> technologically escaped most of the darwinian pressures, could this idea 
>>>> not improve life on earth?
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>>> The human species since the time of Australopithecus has worked to 
>>> remove itself from the Darwinian world. With the development of stone tools 
>>> and fire our early hominid ancestors took themselves off the menu. In turn 
>>> they put more on their menu. We have been able to figure out how to untie 
>>> any environmental constraint upon us and to further generate more positive 
>>> feed backs. The results have not been an improvement of life on Earth. It 
>>> has been rather the demolition of life as we replace naturally occurring 
>>> systems with trash. The idea we are somehow improving things only might 
>>> operate for ourselves, and frankly it might be argued it is for a subset of 
>>> humans. In effect we are engineering the sixth mass extinction of life. The 
>>> picture below illustrates an Albatross that has ingested plastic in the 
>>> oceans and died. In the end this is the final legacy of Homo sapiens.
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>>> LC
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>> Lawrence; dire situation to be sure, and we're losing precious time with 
>> the moron in the WH. Any chance that Darwinian evolution will solve the 
>> problem by selecting out species that can learn NOT to ingest plastics? AG 
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> Darwinian evolution or extinction will select out the species that 
> produces the plastic. 
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> How do you figure that.  It's the species eating the plastic that are 
> killed.  The species that produced lead shot made passenger pigeons 
> extinct, not themselves.
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> Brent
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Lawrence is taking the long view, that we're destroying our life support 
systems with the obvious implication that we will go extinct. The evidence 
favors this view IMO. AG 

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