Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Bruno Marchal<marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
On 19 Jan 2018, at 06:22, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:01 AM, Bruno Marchal<marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: On 17 Jan 2018, at 21:12, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: On 1/17/2018 12:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2018, at 14:29, K E N O <lucky@kenokeno.bingo> wrote: Oh, no! As an media art student, I don’t believe in strict rules oft usefulness (of course!). It was a rather suggestive or maybe even sarcastic approach to get unusual thoughts from everything.Maybe I should rephrase my question: What is the craziest AI application you can think of? A long time ago, when “AI” was just an object of mockery, I saw a public challenge, and the winner was a proposition to make a tiny robot that you place on your head, capable of cutting the hairs "au fur et à mesure”. “AI” is a terrible naming term. “Artificial” is itself a very artificial term. It illustrates the human super-ego character. When machines will be really intelligent, they will ask for having better users, and social security. When they will be as clever as us, they will do war and demolish the planet, I guess. Minski is right. We can be happy if tomorrow the machine will have humans as pets … There is also a confusion between competence and intelligence. With higher competences we become more efficacious in doing our usual stupidities ... So do you think that competence entails intelligence which entails consciousness? Competence makes intelligence sleepy. And intelligence requires consciousness. It is a bit like: Consciousness ==> intelligence ==> competence ==> stupidity There have been recent discoveries about sleep in animals. Apparently ALL animals need sleep, even jellyfish. But, there is no really good theory of why. I wonder if your theory can throw any light on this? I don't think there's anything analogous for computers...but maybe if they were intelligent and interacted with their environment they would be. I can only speculate here. Sleep might be needed to “reconstruct the dekstop” or something. My older computer makes a 5m nap every 20 minutes! In higher mammals, I think that sleep allows dreams, which allows some training of the mind, (re)evaluation of past events, etc. But sleep remains still very mysterious. Maybe it is the time to get back to heaven, but then we can’t remember it, … Don’t take this not too much seriously. Bruno One effect of sleep is that apparently, during the quiescence of sleep neurons, and many kinds of glial cells as well (if I recall) shrink somewhat in size. This opens up trillions of capillary interstitial passages, a hyper fine grained capillary network through which toxins can be flushed out and carried off from the brain. An interesting mechanism for the last-mile (metaphorically speaking) nanoscale trash collection that is vital to long term viability of a complex highly metabolizing organ such as a brain. Sleep enables the flushing out of toxic by-products from the vast 3D densely packed hot spot of cellular metabolism comprising neural tissue. Interesting. Sleep probably serves multiple and also orthogonal functions in animals.I agree as well, that on some levels it is a deep mystery. It is death training, perhaps, also. Interesting speculation, there... One could say that, deep sleep is the little death, we die each night. Pure, unadulterated speculation here: Deep sleep could be the unquestioned and accepted by us, time window for an unknown occult process (unsensed by us, or by our own sense of continuity and being), a nightly subtle, re-programming of our own mind's source code, by unseen operators (or their intelligent agents), who do so for some unknown reason... and with unknown effort. It could be a simple act or wish, resulting in a cascade of consequences and intermediated directed outcomes. Damn, I sure hope not, though... :)-Chris Or the building of the illusion we could not be, to build some sense of life, the amnesia of other life, to get an identity and preserve it against the prey—nature argument per authority ? I am thinking aloud … Bruno -Chris Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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