On 4/28/2018 4:28 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:

    ​>​  what appears to be collapse of the wave function is a
    spreading of it to the environment (including measuring instruments)


The universe can't spread anything outside of the universe because its not in a environment, it is the environment, so what collapsed its wave function, how are cosmologists supposed to to think about the universe from a Copenhagen point of view?
Dunno.  That's why they usually work with a path-integral formalism.  It may be that spacetime is different from other quantum fields and something like Penrose's idea of collapse due to uncertainty in the metric will work.

And why did the effects of a electron going through slot X spread to the environment, collapse the wave function and become real but a electron going through slot Y did not? Copenhagen has no answer to that but the MWI does, everything that can happen does happen.

    /
    ​> ​
    so that it is approximately separable into orthogonal
    branches....consciousness need not be involved./


OK but that part sounds very much like the MWI
​.

It was so intended.

Brent

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