> On 27 Apr 2018, at 04:26, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2018 7:16 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On 4/26/2018 5:55 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>>> From: Brent Meeker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/26/2018 3:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>>>> >>>> My point was that if there is a record that a measurement was made, >>>> something irreversible has been extracted from the experiment. If the QC >>>> is "conscious", then it has to interact with something to make this >>>> irreversible record, so its quantum state is irreversibly changed. But you >>>> are probably right: if there is no decoherence, then there is no >>>> consciousness, since consciousness involves irreversible memory. >>> >>> There are experiments already performed in which the welcher weg is >>> available but is erased, even spacelike relative to detection >> >> I know. But no information was extracted from the welcher weg photons before >> they were erased. I.e., no consciousness "recorded" which way and then >> forgot the result. I think the act of recording the result, by a >> consciousness or anything else, is inherently irreversible. If no record is >> made, then erasure is perfectly possible. Just knowing that there were >> welcher weg photons that have been erased is not quite the same thing. > > But that's my question: Why isn't it the same? And even if it's not how > would be know? The "conscious" quantum computer assures us that it not only > detected that there was a welcher weg photon but that it's weg was known to > the "consciousness" of the quantum computer, before it was erased. But why > would we believe it? We already have these experiments in which we know the > weg was available and could have been recorded, but was erased. So what is > the "consciousness" that adds a secret-sauce to the experiment?
With mechanism, it is the usual consciousness, and here, the consciousness of having got a result + amnesia of the particular results. Why would he becomes a zombie on this? (Here I agree with Deutch that such a report would sustain the MW (and mechanism). Bruno > > Brent > >> >> Bruce >> >>> >>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.4348.pdf <https://arxiv.org/pdf/1206.4348.pdf> >>> >>> (I wonder if the French appreciated the labeling of their apparatus BS-in >>> and BS-out?) >>> >>> Brent >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
