> On 7 Jun 2018, at 21:58, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> On 6/7/2018 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> ee above, i.e. because it is necessary.  Science may well determine when 
>>> and where and what relations there are.  But not why.  That's the 
>>> "engineering" solution to the hard problem of consciousness for which I am 
>>> often criticized.
>> Because you limit science. Like the modern Muslim (since Al Ghazali)  and 
>> christians (since the Roman Empire) , you want to separate religion from 
>> science. This lead to obscurantism and authorianism, as the video on the 
>> decline of science in islam illustrates well.
> 
> No, I want to eliminate religion. 

But then you will transform some science into a religion.

That explains why you seem to defend materialism, despite the ack of any 
evidences and actually may evidence against it. 

It is just impossible, for any universal machine, to eliminate religion. When 
you do that, you impose automatically your own religion upon the others.




> The reliance on mystic insights of prophets to tell us why things are and why 
> we must do X and not Y.

You confuse religion with argument per authority, and tat will continue as long 
as theology does not come back to science, which put reason before texts, and 
is modest in never claiming truth, but only means of testing ideas.

Bruno




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