> On 28 Jun 2018, at 20:13, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:32 AM, Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >We need silicon only to tell us what to ignore. Too many infinite bit > strings exist in math, they exist in e, Pi, sqrt(2), etc. The infinite > messages and data is all there, stored forever. What we ask of our computers > is to tell us which of the infinite values is relevant to us. > > Separating the stuff we want from the stuff we don't is important, that's > why we say Michelangelo's huge statue of David is 500 years old and not far > older even though in the platonic sense David was inside a gigantic block of > Carrara marble for 100 million years and all Michelangelo did was unpack it, > he just removed the parts of the block that weren't David. Of course there > was an equally huge statue of Harry Potter inside that same marble block, but > unfortunatly Michelangelo didn’t unpack Harry. > > > My point is platonic computations are like computations that happen in > other universes, beyond the cosmological horizon, > > If computations m platonic or otherwise, are beyond my cosmological horizon > then by definition there is no way they can have an effect on me or I could > have an effect on them, they have no way of even knowing what I'm doing and > so can have nothing to do with my subjective experience,
They would alter the first person indeterminacy, or you are using an identity thesis which is inconsistent with mechanism. Bruno > and I have no way of even knowing if they exist. So even if Platonic > computations exist (and I still don't see how anything can DO anything in > Plato’s heaven) they have no relevance to me and have nothing to do with > science. > > > You would still consider it a real computation that exists, even if in > principal you cannot get the result into your brain? > > If you tell me about a computation beyond my cosmological horizon then > obviously it has had an effect on my brain, but then it couldn't have been > beyond my cosmological horizon. > > >>>The equation does nothing, the relation it describes does everything. > (Just like the physics equations in your text book are ineffectual, what > matters is the object described by the equations). > > >>I agree. So what are we arguing about? > > >The objects we hope are partly described by our equations, and whether > they exist. > > But I agree with all of that. Equations exist and they can describe physical > things that happen in our physical universe if you know the language of > mathematics, > > > A platonic computation could implement your consciousness > > I asked thing before I'll ask it again, what is brain damage such a big > deal? > > >What if in universe B, they run a simulation of John Clark's brain as it > is in universe A, right after a near by gamma ray burst destroys all life on > Earth. Could you be resurrected by the programmers in universe B? > > Sure, but the trouble is if they are beyond my cosmological horizon (and it > they're not then they are in my universe not universe B) then there is no way > they could even know I exist much less have detailed knowledge of how my > brain is wired up. > > >Energy is a means of doing work in this universe, > > And computation is work. > > >it doesn't explain what keeps the universe itself going. > > It does if the Big Bang was in a low entropy state. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
