> On 2 Jul 2018, at 20:19, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be > <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > > >The demonstration is given in those books. It is long and technical. > > Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a book > and nobody ever will.
That contradicts all publication in the field. Computation is a born non physical notion. Yu seem to never have open any book nor paper in that subject, and you don’t seem to intend to learn. Nothing can be done in such situation. > > >The book explains that computation is a purely arithmetical notion > > A explanation is not a demonstration, and they don't even explain what is > unique about their particular way of manipulating numbers, Wrong. (Or ambiguous, as the whole point will be that there is nothing unique concerning any computations. All are implemented in infinitely many ways in Arithmetic). > but physics can. Really? How? Even just QM-without-collapse refutes this claim. > Out of the infinite number of ways of manipulating numbers only one of them > is compatible with the laws of physics, and that way is called a > "calculation", all the other infinite ways of doing it is called a "incorrect > calculation”. That seems pretty senseless. Also, you can’t change the definition standard in some technical field. You are the one speculating on some primary matter, and its magical ability to make a computation conscious. If mechanism is true, I don’t see how that primary matter can influence consciousness or create it without invoking some non Turing computable, and non FPI recoverable, notions. May be holly water is needed too, perhaps. > > >They do not mention physics at all. > > And that is why a book can not make a calculation and neither can pure > numbers. A book cannot make a computation, trivially, but a number, relatively to other numbers, do it, thanks to the laws of addition and multiplication. > > >>The fundamental problem is that in mathematical heaven incorrect > calculations are, not astronomically but INFINITELY, more common than correct > ones, and the ghost of Plato has no way of telling one from the other, so its > a good thing that matter can. > > >Matter cannot do that either, or if it can, ask for the patent > > I would except that Charles Babbage beat me to the patent office, by about > 150 years. Assuming matter can do that, which is not the case. You beg the whole paragraph. Look John, it is pretty clear that you are not trying to understand. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > (and abandon computationalism). > > > >> John K Clark >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
