On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> In a world that contains first person duplicating machines there is no >> such thing as *THE* first person. > > > *>That would contradict computationalism immediately, because it would > mean that the first person in M has disappeared* > So in Brunomath if C is consciousness and C is duplicated then 2*C=0. Are you sure you're a mathematician? > > > or is a zombie, > Or a vampire or a werwolf or a fire breathing dragon. Isn't it time for you to start babbling about telepathy? > > *You seem to remain unable to put yourself in any possible continuation.* > You remain unable to put yourself in more than one continuation if **YOU* have been copied in a *YOU* duplicating machine.* > > > *You seem to deny that in W, the guy feel to be only in W, and is aware he > could not have predicted that outcome,* > Before the Helsinki was copied Mr. He couldn't have predicted the outcome or dome anything else for that matter because back then Mr. He did not exist. >> >> I can give a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey", why >> can't you? > > > *>I can, but* > [...] > Ah yes, the all important "but". It is said it is wise to ignore everything a politician says before "but", and the same thing applies to you. *>we have to distinguish the 1p and the 3p.* > Then do so! Give me a definition of "Abbey" that is as precise and logically consistent as the one I gave. I don't think you can do it. > > > *Abbey is indeed surviving in both W and M,* > That statement will remain neither true nor false until you give us a precise and logically consistent definition of "Abbey" and don't change it from one paragraph to the next. I can do it why can't you? > *>We have agreed on all name and pronoun this time. * > Then what did we agree that "Abbey" means?? > > >>> >> >>> *as lived by any copies, which obviously cannot have a first person >>> perception of the two cities at once FROM that first person perspective.* >> >> >> >> >> That depends entirely on who the person in the first person perspective >> you keep talking about is! > > *>All of them* > If all of them are "Abbey" then "Abbey" saw 2 cities at the same time, but I don't think that's what you really mean by "Abbey", I don't think you know what you mean by "Abbey". Prove me wrong, give me a precise logically consistent definition of "Abbey" and let me hold you to it from one paragraph to the next and from one post to the next. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
