All you've managed to demonstrate below is that computations that don't happen in this physicals universe can't affect this universe. You've done *zero* so far to show that computations can't occur outside this physical universe. Actually, you agreed that they could at one point in this thread.
Jason On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:03 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > *>you make this error when you say only matter and energy can perform >> computations, because those are the only computations you have seen.* >> > > Neither I nor anybody else has ever seen a calculation other than the > physical sort, and nobody has even made a hypothesis about how a > non-physical calculation might work nor explain how it would only produce > correct answers and not incorrect ones. The existence of unicorns is far > more plausible than the existence of non-physical calculations. > > *>You are presuming many things, all of which are quite dubious. For >> example, that:* >> *1. That Intel has discovered everything that is physically possible.* >> > *2. Intel has discovered everything in reality.* >> > > I do presume that Intel has not discovered something that is physically > impossible. > > >> *>3. That Intel has publicly disclosed everything it knows.* >> > > If Intel had discovered how to make non-physical computations I am quite > certain we would have heard about it and the company would not continue to > build $10,000,000,000 Silicon chip fabrication plants. > > >> *4. That Intel could build devices that can access the results of >> computations made in other realities/realms/universes.* >> > > No, I presume that Intel, could NOT access the results of non-physical > computations made in other realities, or to say the same thing in different > words I presume that non-physical computations don't work worth a damn. > > >> *5. That Intel could profitably build devices* >> > Build? Device? It's non-physical so there is nothing to build and there is > no device. As for profitability, you can't do much better than zero > manufacturing costs. > >> *>1. So what is the difference between a platonic computation and one >> that occurs physically in a physical universe that is inaccessible to us?* >> > > One works for us and one doesn't. One we know certainly exists and the > other we will never know for certain if it does or not, although we will > know that if it does exist the calculation was done physically. > > > *>>>So in your view, could this physical structure of matter and energy be >>>> a platonic statically existing 4-dimensional structure?* >>>> >>> >>> >> >>> The space-time block universe is the most complex thing in, well, in the >>> universe; how could it be simple, >>> >> >> *>Who said it was simple?* >> > You did, you said "Change is an illusion". If a 3-D object does not > change along any of its 3 spacial dimensions then it is very > simple spatially, if it is static and will stay that way for eternity then > the 4-D space-time object is also very simple. If all 4 dimensions > continue to infinity then that infinite object would be the ultimate in > simplicity, the only thing that might rival it in that regard would be > nothing, and the two would be related. The best definition of "nothing" I > know of is infinite unbounded homogeneity > > John K Clark > >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
