On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> Despite what the current President of the USA says facts actually exist; >> and so it is not an assumption it is a FACT that neither I nor anybody else >> has ever seen a calculation other than the physical sort. > > > > > *That is an obvious fact, and it proves nothing* > So you believe facts prove nothing. Is your middle name "Trump"? > > > *Seeing proves nothing.* > It all comes down to asking myself one question, who am I going to believe, you or my lying eyes? * >It can only augment or diminish the plausibility of a theory* Theory? Its not just that nobody has ever observed the phenomenon, there is not even a theory of non-physical computation, nobody has ever proposed a mechanism about how it could work, not even a implausible one. So there is no evidence it exists and no ideas about how it might exist, you just say it does. The fundamental problem is that no non-physical thing can change itself or another non-physical thing, it can't DO anything. Yes the textbooks you keep talking about contain recipes that tell me how I can make such a change, but the trouble is I am not non-physical. > *>unless you are using Aristotle* > [...] > Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks , Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, [...] > > > *we have to backtrack to Plato * Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks , Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, [...] *>The fact that some people are wrong in some domain (geography) does not > entail that they were wrong in another domain.* Your Greek heroes died 2500 years ago and the human race has learned a thing or two since then, except for pure mathematics they were wrong about nearly everything in every domain. Even the rare times an ancient Greek did find a true physical fact, like Eratosthenes did when he measured the diameter of the Earth, it was far from universally accepted in Greek culture . > *>we have regress a lot in the most fundamental science (theology or > metaphysics).* > Theology has no subject so you can't regress from it because its already at zero; there is no there there. > > > *Indeed, some people still believe that seeing the moon is a prove of the > existence of a primary moon, which is simply not valid,* > This confirms what I said before, you don't understand what philosophers mean when they say "primary matter". > *>Pythagoras and Plato understood* > [...] > Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks , Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, [...] > > > Aristotle metaphysics > [...] > Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks , Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, Greeks, [...] John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
