> On 31 Jul 2018, at 01:33, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > the wf has infinite extent (as does the probability density). This would > > imply INSTANTANEOUS propagation when the wf is created -- much worse than > > FTL! > > Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter > and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's > Inequality we already have rock solid evidence that quantum influences (but > not information) can move much faster than light and are consistent with > being instantaneous.
That is the point where we disagree. With the many worlds, there is no more instantaneous influences at a distance. Exactly like the SWE, and some hypothesis that the observer is some machine using some orthogonal vectors to get stable memories (a form of mechanism), explains the appearance of indeterminacy is a deterministic manner, it explains, up to now, the appearance of non-locality, without any spooky influence at a distance. That was the point of many discussion with Bruce, but he seems to agree that there is no FTL, still less instantaneous physical influence. That’s why in Quantum Cosmology, there is no collapse conceivable. Only the collapse make the instantaneousness physically real. And without collapse, the theory (the wave) predicts that in most branches, the Bell inequality will be violated, but nowhere you will see anything “physical” , still less “informational”, influencing instantaneously anything. God does not play dice, and there is no spooky action at a distance, if QM is correct. (QM without collapse to be sure). Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
