On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:40:07 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:34, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, [email protected] >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thank you everybody for your responses. >>> >>> Bruno Marchal I looked at your statement, they are very interesting but >>> some very good neruoscientists argue that brain is not like computer >>> Here for example (4min video) Edelman: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmyfQY4TaVc >>> >> >> The question can be turned around. Why would anyone think a brain is >> strongly comparable or identical to a computer? It has some superficial >> similarities such as being able to store memory and logical functions >> (which are simulated by a computer), but its cells are not two state >> systems like computer transistors. AG >> >> >> >> A bacteria is already a computer (at least), >> > > > *Really? Then you should be able to identify the entities that store > binary information. * > > > > By computer I mean a number u such that phi_u(<x,y>) = phi_x(y), for some > enumeration phi_i of the partial computable function. No need of binary > information. But it needs digitally coded information, and that is given by > the genome (the sequence of adenine, thymine, cytosine, guanine (French > spelling, sorry). >
*So now a computer isn't some device that executes programs, but a number? Please elaborate on your mathematics. I have no idea what it is supposed to mean. AG* > *And where is the clock which pulses and advances the instruction pointer? > And where is the instruction pointer located? AG* > > > Dont confuse a computer (universal number, universal Turing machine, …) > and a von Neumann physical computer. Reread my explanation in the thread > “why is Church’s thesis a miracle). Ask me question from there. > > Bruno > > > > > > >> and a neurone is already a rather sophisticated society of bacteria and >> viruses, plausibly enough. So, a society of billions of neurons should not >> be compared to transistors. The substitution level is plausibly much lower >> than the level of neurons. >> >> But we don’t know in Nature anything which at some level is not emulable >> by a computer, except for controversial notion like >> >> A) primary matter (if that exists, it is not emulable by a computer) >> B) the reduction of the wave packet (if that exists, it is provably not >> emulable by a computer). >> >> But there are no evidence neither for A) nor for B). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please give me your thought on that. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
