> On 28 Oct 2018, at 20:07, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:23:28 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:36, agrays...@gmail.com <javascript:> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:19:01 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <> >> wrote: >> >> "Consistently defined" means what? Plane waves are easily defined, say as >> the limiting case of a spherical wave as it advances in space and time; OR >> as solutions to ME's. So here we have a well defined mathematical >> construction which doesn't exist in THIS universe, and in fact no need to >> invoke ME's! But in your view, the MUH still holds. You must be in love, >> with the MUH. AG >> >> "Consistently defined" means consistently defined in relation to everything. >> If you define a plane wave as being isolated then it is consistently >> defined. But if you define a plane wave as a part of a universe then it must >> also be defined consistently in relation to the laws of that universe. Which >> apparently isn't the case with our universe and that's why a plane wave >> cannot exist here. >> >> As I understand the MUH, it states that every well defined mathematical form >> or function is reified, or instantiated, or manifested concretely in the >> physical universe (assuming such a thing exists, which Bruno denies). I >> contend that plane waves are iindeed well defined mathematical objects which >> are NOT reified, NOT instantiated, and NOT manifested concretely in the >> physical universe. THEREFORE, the MUH is falsified. Period. AG > > > That cannot be valid. > > What can't be valid? Plane waves are well defined mathematical constructs or > functions that are not instantiated in the "physical" reality of our > universe. I don't want to split hairs with you about the reality of a > physical external world. AG
But that is not hair splitting. It should be the beginning of the answers to your questions, in case mechanism is true. Bruno > > Mechanism provides a counter example. There we have a weak “arithmeticalism”. > You don’t need to believe in any metaphysical numbers, just introspect your > self and agreeing with what has been taught to you in primary school. It is a > form of Pythagoreanism. There is on 0 and its successors and successors’ > successors. A large part of the magic comes already from the addition laws, > but where god says “oops” comes with the law of multiplication, which > together with addition makes the reality Turing universal, and dovetailing on > all computations, and the view from inside has to taken into account the > unboundbwle complexity of the inside view. > > I am glad you mentioned your ontological commitment though. Very good. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
