On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected] 
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> * > The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three values are 
>> measured independent of any Feynman diagrams*
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> Absolutely correct. So if you use Feynman diagrams to predict what some 
> physical system is going to do, such as a physical system of 2 electrons 
> being hit by a photon of light with a wavelength small enough to contain 
> enough energy to prevent the electrons repulsion, then you'd better get a 
> number very close to the Fine Structure Constant. If you don't then Feynman 
> Diagrams aren't any good. 
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> They didn't use 12,672 Feynman Diagrams because they wanted to know what 
> the Fine Structure Constant was, they already knew what that number was 
> to many decimal places from exparament, they used 12,672 Feynman Diagrams 
> because they wanted to see if Feynman Diagrams worked. And it turned out 
> they worked spectacularly well in that situation, and that gives scientists 
> great confidence they can use Feynman Diagrams in other situations to 
> calculate what other physical systems will do that involve the 
> Electromagnetic Force.
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> There's always an interplay between theory and experiment.  It's 
> completely analogous to Maxwell's discovery that light is EM waves. There 
> were already experimental values of the permittivity and permeability of 
> the vacuum and there were values for the speed of light.  Maxwell showed 
> that his theory of EM predicted waves and using the permittivity and 
> permeability values the speed of the waves matched that of light.  Now the 
> speed of light is a defined constant and so are the permittivity and 
> permeability of the vacuum.  So the connecting of the three values by a 
> theory allows their values to be defined.  In the case of the anomalous 
> magnetic moment of the electron, hbar and c are already defined constants.  
> So quantum field theory (for which Feynman diagrams are just a 
> calculational tool) linked them and e to g.
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> Brent
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If Feynman Diagrams (tools) are sufficient (to match experimental data) 
then Quantum Field Theory can be thrown in the wastebasket.

- pt 

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