On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 1/11/2019 1:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 2:46:35 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
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>> On 1/11/2019 6:01 AM, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:18 PM Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> * > The fine structure constant is e^2/hbar*c.  Those three values are 
>>> measured independent of any Feynman diagrams*
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>> Absolutely correct. So if you use Feynman diagrams to predict what some 
>> physical system is going to do, such as a physical system of 2 electrons 
>> being hit by a photon of light with a wavelength small enough to contain 
>> enough energy to prevent the electrons repulsion, then you'd better get a 
>> number very close to the Fine Structure Constant. If you don't then Feynman 
>> Diagrams aren't any good. 
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>> They didn't use 12,672 Feynman Diagrams because they wanted to know what 
>> the Fine Structure Constant was, they already knew what that number was 
>> to many decimal places from exparament, they used 12,672 Feynman Diagrams 
>> because they wanted to see if Feynman Diagrams worked. And it turned out 
>> they worked spectacularly well in that situation, and that gives scientists 
>> great confidence they can use Feynman Diagrams in other situations to 
>> calculate what other physical systems will do that involve the 
>> Electromagnetic Force.
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>> There's always an interplay between theory and experiment.  It's 
>> completely analogous to Maxwell's discovery that light is EM waves. There 
>> were already experimental values of the permittivity and permeability of 
>> the vacuum and there were values for the speed of light.  Maxwell showed 
>> that his theory of EM predicted waves and using the permittivity and 
>> permeability values the speed of the waves matched that of light.  Now the 
>> speed of light is a defined constant and so are the permittivity and 
>> permeability of the vacuum.  So the connecting of the three values by a 
>> theory allows their values to be defined.  In the case of the anomalous 
>> magnetic moment of the electron, hbar and c are already defined constants.  
>> So quantum field theory (for which Feynman diagrams are just a 
>> calculational tool) linked them and e to g.
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> If Feynman Diagrams (tools) are sufficient (to match experimental data) 
> then Quantum Field Theory can be thrown in the wastebasket.
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> ?? Feynman Diagrams are just a mathematical trick for summing up terms to 
> approximate the propagator of QFT.  
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> Brent
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You just make Feynman Diagrams the fundamental elements of the theory, and 
propagators derived from them.

Just like histories are made fundamental, and Hilbert Spaces are derived 
from them.

            https://arxiv.org/abs/1002.0589 

Theories do not come from Mount Olympus.

- pt

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