> On 28 Feb 2019, at 02:01, [email protected] wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:40:32 PM UTC-7, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the physicists on here think about this research? > > I find the argument that no laws is the fundamental law... and that the > universe and its laws are emergent guided by subtle mathematical statistical > phenomena, at the same time both alluring and annoying.... it is somehow > unsatisfactory.... like being served a quite empty plate with nice garnish > for dinner. > > One example of emergence from chaotic conditions is how traffic jams (aka > density waves) can emerge from chaotic initial conditions, becoming self > re-enforcing within local domains of influence... for those unlucky to be > stuck in them. Density wave emergence is seen across scale, for example the > spiral arms of galaxies can be explained as giant gravitational pile ups with > some fundamentally similar parallels to say a rush hour traffic jam, except > on vastly different scales of course and due to other different factors, in > the galactic case the emergent effects of a vast number of gravitational > inter-actions as stars migrate through these arms on their grand voyages > around the galactic core. > > This paired with the corollary argument that any attempt to discover a > fundamental law seems doomed to the infinite regression of then needing to > explain what this foundation itself rests upon.... leading to the "it's > turtles all the way down" hall of mirrors carnival house... head-banger. > > Perhaps, as Wheeler argued, the world is a self-synthesizing system, and the > seeming order we observe, is emergent... a law without law. > > Here is the link to the article: > > > > The Born Rule Has Been Derived From Simple Physical Principles | Quanta > Magazine > <https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-born-rule-has-been-derived-from-simple-physical-principles-20190213/> > > The Born Rule Has Been Derived From Simple Physical Principles | Quanta > Magazine > The new work promises to give researchers a better grip on the core mystery > of quantum mechanics. > > > <https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-born-rule-has-been-derived-from-simple-physical-principles-20190213/> > > Is there consensus that Born's rule can be, and has been derived from > physical principles, and/or the other postulates of QM? TIA, AG
I would say no. Just many interesting hints though. Then with mechanism, you need to derive the wave/matrix as well, and the symmetries, from any universal machinery phi_i. All the rest is given by Gauge invariance and our breaking of the symmetries. I am (re)reading what Weinberg says about all this, but his conclusion is that quantum mechanics could be simply wrong, and just a symptom of a deeper theory, which it should with Indexical Digital Mechanism. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
