On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 1:23:22 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 May 2019, at 08:13, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > https://aeon.co/ideas/how-the-dualism-of-descartes-ruined-our-mental-health > <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Faeon.co%2Fideas%2Fhow-the-dualism-of-descartes-ruined-our-mental-health&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHE2JiWV3LHmz8TKy5ZflJKDY5x1Q> > ... > Nature was thereby drained of her inner life, rendered a deaf and blind > apparatus of indifferent and value-free law, and humankind was faced with a > world of inanimate, meaningless matter, upon which it projected its psyche > – its aliveness, meaning and purpose – only in fantasy. > ... > The bifurcation of mind and nature was at the root of immeasurable secular > progress – medical and technological advance, the rise of individual rights > and social justice, to name just a few. It also protected us all from being > bound up in the inherent uncertainty and flux of nature. It gave us a > certain omnipotence – just as it gave science empirical control over nature > – and most of us readily accept, and willingly spend, the inheritance > bequeathed by it, and rightly so. > > In the face of an indifferent and unresponsive world that neglects to > render our experience meaningful outside of our own minds – for > nature-as-mechanism is powerless to do this – > > > > Yes, nature does not even exist as mechanism, so the notion of > “nature-as-mechanism” is globally non sensical, yet locally, it works for > person supported by highly probable computations, but nature becomes a > projection, like in a dream. > > > > > our minds have been left fixated on empty representations of a world that > was once its source and being. > > > That is due to the reductionist conception of machine and number. Today, > we can defeat it, mathematically. > > > > > All we have, if we are lucky to have them, are therapists and parents who > try to take on what is, in reality, and given the magnitude of the loss, an > impossible task. > > > The loss is due to the separation of theology from science, and the > impeaching of the fundamental questioning for a long period. > That has led to the separation of human sciences and exact science, making > them both into pseudo-metaphysics and pseudo-religion. Then we see only the > “superficial” technologies, without understanding of what they implies. To > separate science and theologies is a con artist trick to steal your money, > and in passing, your soul. > > When “equated” with the machine, the negative pessimist will say, “oh > damned I am only a machine”, but the positive optimistic will say, “nice, > so machine can be as nice as I am”. > > The interesting thing is only that this can be tested. Mechanism has > observable consequences. > > Bruno > > > > > > ... > > "How did we ever get the notion of the mind as something distinct from the > body? Why did this bad idea enter our culture?” > > -- Richard Rorty > https://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/april13/rorty-041305.html > > > > > > The problem (aligning with the above article by psychotherapist James Barnes [ https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-barnes-msc-ma-90766b159/ ]) is that there is no (A) mind *and* the body (or matter), there are (B) experiences *of* the body (matter).
Speaking in the terminology of (A) has harmed mental health. (Now one can be an experience-monist psychotherapist - everything is experience - but then the therapist has to explain to the patient why they need a particular drug prescription.) @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/a5995d0a-e1f2-4e6f-9af6-20865333abee%40googlegroups.com.
