On 5/21/2019 11:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 6:51:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 5/21/2019 2:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
via Hedda Hassel Mørch @heddamorch
https://twitter.com/heddamorch/status/113048705070737817
<https://twitter.com/heddamorch/status/113048705070737817>
A lot to read:
*On the axiomatic foundations of the integrated information
theory of consciousness*
Tim Bayne [ https://research.monash.edu/en/persons/timothy-bayne
<https://research.monash.edu/en/persons/timothy-bayne> ]
https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2018/1/niy007/5047367
<https://academic.oup.com/nc/article/2018/1/niy007/5047367>
*Symposium on Bayne, “On the axiomatic foundations of the
integrated information theory of consciousness”*
http://philosophyofbrains.com/2019/05/20/symposium-on-bayne-on-the-axiomatic-foundations-of-the-integrated-information-theory-of-consciousness.aspx
<http://philosophyofbrains.com/2019/05/20/symposium-on-bayne-on-the-axiomatic-foundations-of-the-integrated-information-theory-of-consciousness.aspx>
includes
Hedda Hassel Mørch (commentary):
"[IIT] can also be and is in some ways better interpreted as a
form of Russellian monism, the view that conscious or
protoconscious properties constitute the intrinsic nature of
physical properties (which physics reveals as purely extrinsic
and structural), and therefore would not be (purely) physical.
This could be understood as compatible with IIT’s claim that
consciousness is identical with integrated information, which
could be interpreted to say that consciousness is identical with
integrated information understood, not as a purely physical
property, but as a property that may include a non-physical
intrinsic nature."
But read https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottaaronson.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D1799&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFkrIgncRPq5YjsNnBBL1uJbVLygQ>
first.
Brent
I think Scott (who wrote that in 2014) needs to read this symposium
article.
He knows something about - and may be considered an expert in -
computational complexity (classical and quantum), but he doesn't know
much more than anyone else outside his specialty, especially - he
doesn't know much about the subject of consciousness.
Neither does Tononi. And Scott knows how to calculate integrated
information.
Brent
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