> On 9 Jun 2019, at 14:38, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:03 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > with Mechanism [...] > > Bruno, you use that word a lot, and I mean a LOT, but I'm still not sure what > you mean. I don't want you to give me your definition I want you to give me > examples of what you think it is and what you think it is not. Let's start > with these, no need for long explanations, a simple yes or no will do and > will give me an idea of what you're talking about: > > Is a cuckoo clock a mechanism?
I have never use the expression “a mechanism”. A cuckoo clock is an informal not well defined notion, because it is unclear what you mean by this (the physical object, or the simple counting algorithm that it implements). I would need to define “a mechanism”, I would define it by anything Turing emulable, with this defined in the purely mathematical way like Church, Post, Turing, ... > Is a roulette wheel a mechanism? Is a Tritium atom with a half life of 12.32 > years a mechanism? Is the multiplication table a mechanism? If you define them in such a way that they are Turing emulable, then they are “mechanism”, but I use the term “programs” or “digital machine” instead. By “Mechanism” I have always mean “the mechanist hypothesis” which is the conjunction of “Yes doctor” (= my consciousness is invariant for some digital functional substitution) + the Church-Turing thesis. Mechanism, i.e. the mechanist hypothesis, should be sees as an hypothesis in psychology or theology: the belief in a special sort of possible technological reincarnation, or re-implementation. Then a reasoning shows that the physical appearances must be retrieved from some digital-machine, or sigma_1 arithmetical modes of machines self-reference, and that has been confirmed up to now. Bruno > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0QAoRctN4_ii7VABLYR0Gchoo_6_%3DtCZuSOY3eufPwjw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0QAoRctN4_ii7VABLYR0Gchoo_6_%3DtCZuSOY3eufPwjw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F61FEE94-C609-4BC7-BD38-3ABFBED7920D%40ulb.ac.be.
