> On 25 Jun 2019, at 07:09, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "Feyerabend felt that science started as a liberating movement, but over time > it had become increasingly dogmatic and rigid, and therefore had become > increasingly an ideology and despite its successes science had started to > attain some oppressive features, and it was not possible [any longer] to come > up with an unambiguous way to distinguish science from religion.”
Feyerabend started from reasoning and end up becoming to much philosophically relativist, making people mis-using its originally relevant critics to get a sort of anti-scientific anarchism, which impedes researches. Imo. Bruno > > Epistemological anarchism > From Wikipedia > > @philipthrift > > > On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 6:04:04 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > I think one could be most on the mark by calling this "how bad money chases > out good money." I joined this list last fall, and in the last couple of > months it seems to have fallen over to various humbugs promoting nonsense. > these threads of late have degenerated into pure rubbish, bad thinking > chasing out good thinking. > > LC > > On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 10:46:37 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > I changed the title of this thread, I don't even know what the old one means. > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:31 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <>> wrote: > > > the natural transplant you mention might be the result of an analog, > > continuous process. It would make a difference if all the decimals plays a > > role in consciousness. > > Even if you ignore the fact that it has been experimentally proven that > Bell's Inequality is violated and you claim there if a difference between one > Hydrogen atom and another, that is to say somewhere along that infinite > sequence of digits there is a difference, what you say makes no sense. The > atoms in my brain HAVE been replaced and yet I know for a FACT I have > survived; I don't know for a fact that the same is true for you but I think > it's reasonable to assume it is. So even if there is something analog going > on inside an atom, if we're talking about consciousness and survival it's > irrelevant. > > >Of course, Darwin theory of evolution would become inconsistent, but > >logically, we cannot exclude the possibility > > If a mathematical statement, even a well formed grammatically correct one, > contradicts a well established observation then it would be logical to > conclude the statement does not correspond with reality; after all every > language can write fiction as well as nonfiction. The fiction could be fun > to read and the very best might even have some sort of vague poetic > relationship to a truth, but there is not a literal correspondence to reality. > > >> Even if a Hydrogen atom has some secret analog process going on inside of > >> it when one atom gets replaced by another atom, that is to say when one > >> analog process gets replaced by another analog process, I STILL survive. > > > That is the mechanist assumption. You can truncate the infinite decimal > > expansion in the analog process running a brain. > > It's not an assumption it's a OBSERVATION! Atoms in my brain have been > replaced many many times and yet my consciousness has continued. My only > ASSUMPTION is that you are like me and are also conscious. > > >> So that hypothetical secret mysterious analog process is the Hydrogen > >> atom's business not mine, it has nothing to do with me. > > > Assuming that you substitution level is above the truncation of the > > decimals used in the atom. But a non computationalist can assert that his > > consciousness requires all decimals. > > Then the non computationalist must logically conclude that he is not > conscious. I thought solipsists were bad but at least they thought they were > conscious even if nobody else was, but your non computationalist doesn't even > think he is conscious. How a non conscious person is able to think of > anything I will leave as an exercise for the reader. > > >>> In which theory? > > >> In the very controversial theory that says if I have observed X then I > >> have observed X. > > >You cannot observe a philosophical assumption. > > You can observe that a philosophical assumption is dead wrong, such as the > philosophical assumption that an infinite string of digits in an analog > process is always needed to continue consciousness. > > >> Proof is not the ultimate, direct experience outranks it, and I have > >> direct experience I have survived despite numerous brain transplant > >> operations. > > > Yes, and that is good for you, but [...] > > But nothing! It's good enough for me to say yes to the doctor and it's good > enough for me to say yes to being frozen. And if your experience has been > similar to mine, if your consciousness has also continued despite your many > brain transplant operations, and if you are a true fan of logic, then you > must conclude it's good enough for you too. > > Personal experience is not available when doing science, > > True, and that is exactly why no consciousness theory ever devised is > scientific, and none every will be. But theories about how intelligence works > are most certainly scientific. > > >> It doesn't matter if I can communicate my reason for saying yes to the > >> doctor (or yes to being frozen). I have no obligation to justify my > >> actions to you or anybody; based on the evidence I have at my command it > >> is the logical thing to do. > > > Personally, perhaps. Not sure about the guy above, though. > > I'm not sure about the other guy either, he might be a zombie for all I know, > everybody except me might be, all I know for certain is I'm not. The other > guy is going to have to make his own decision, I can't help him, nobody can. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/24ee370b-afd9-495e-b203-7c1118d5d717%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/24ee370b-afd9-495e-b203-7c1118d5d717%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/C2A6E8EA-3E2F-45BF-B977-B12C76C5C6B1%40ulb.ac.be.
