> On 20 Aug 2019, at 20:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 8/20/2019 4:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Given all the novel, unpredicted stuff one reads every day in the science >>> news feeds about some new material (materials science), molecules, phases >>> (of matter), why is it so hard to think that matter is not some naive >>> ("numerical-Turing-emulable") stuff that most theoretical physicists think >>> it is and that it has no protopsychical properties. >> >> But matter is NOT Turing emulable, once we assume “we” are Turing emulable. >> Matter is only maps emerging from all relative computation going through our >> mind state. It sums the whole universal dovetailing at any instant > > "Instant" in what time-sense...some stage of the UD computation?
… some stage of the UD computation (UD*) seen from the first person point of view. That explains (and predicted) the non cloning of matter, as any piece of matter requires the indeterminacy on all computations, which is not something Turing emulable a priori. > But that would include a mix of different physical times, which are > many-fingered per relativity theory. Yes. It is “personal time”, a first person construct. > > And what can it mean " relative computation going through our mind state.” It is the infinite set of all computations bringing the first person experience of the consistent extension of your current state (defined indexically). In the Helsinki WM experience, it would be the computation getting the input W and the computation getting M, in their vast majority, but of course it contains also the aberrant continuations, hopefully in a negligible set, which remains to be seen (but the material modes suggests already that this could very well be the case). Bruno > What is this "mind state" except some physical computational thread? Isn't > that what saying yes to the doctor implied? > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/07e5ecd7-4b5e-d38f-d3db-b54e6555d89e%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/122029FD-D088-478C-802B-46C8E023CE5E%40ulb.ac.be.
