On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/10/2019 6:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 6:17:06 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >> >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 9:07:13 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 11:37:25 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 1:32 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> Why do you think this has anything to do with intelligence and >>>>> reasoning ability?* >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh for heaven's sake! This whistling past the graveyard is getting >>>> ridiculous. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>> >>> Show me the reasoning ability. Nothing miraculous in recognizing the >>> questions beforehand, and giving accurate replies. AG >>> >> >> Algorithms are if anything formal systems of reasoning. A computer >> follows a sequenced set of logical instructions that emulate reasoning, and >> could be said to be a scripted system of reasoning. What is more difficult >> to know is if there is anything really conscious in this. >> >> LC >> > > > Deep nets are "algorithms" too. One can print out the gazillion weights of > the "neural" sigmoid functions of the connections after it has > deep-learned. That's just an algorithm that a human couldn't read very > well, because if it is printed out, would be quite big. > > > And its reasoning is more like human intuition. In general, it can't > explain its process in a way that you could adopt it. > > Brent >
DeepNets also include modularity and interpretability: @ Google Research https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/09/recursive-sketches-for-modular-deep.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2018/03/the-building-blocks-of-interpretability.html So maybe they will report "explanations" soon. maybe better than humans can their own. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/466bbb5d-03ed-47b8-becc-cfa877833dbb%40googlegroups.com.
