On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 2:42:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/10/2019 6:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 6:17:06 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >> >> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 9:07:13 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 9, 2019 at 11:37:25 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 1:32 PM Alan Grayson <agrays...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> *> Why do you think this has anything to do with intelligence and >>>>> reasoning ability?* >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh for heaven's sake! This whistling past the graveyard is getting >>>> ridiculous. >>>> >>>> John K Clark >>>> >>> >>> Show me the reasoning ability. Nothing miraculous in recognizing the >>> questions beforehand, and giving accurate replies. AG >>> >> >> Algorithms are if anything formal systems of reasoning. A computer >> follows a sequenced set of logical instructions that emulate reasoning, and >> could be said to be a scripted system of reasoning. What is more difficult >> to know is if there is anything really conscious in this. >> >> LC >> > > > Deep nets are "algorithms" too. One can print out the gazillion weights of > the "neural" sigmoid functions of the connections after it has > deep-learned. That's just an algorithm that a human couldn't read very > well, because if it is printed out, would be quite big. > > > And its reasoning is more like human intuition. In general, it can't > explain its process in a way that you could adopt it. > > Brent >
DeepNets also include modularity and interpretability: @ Google Research https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/09/recursive-sketches-for-modular-deep.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2018/03/the-building-blocks-of-interpretability.html So maybe they will report "explanations" soon. maybe better than humans can their own. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/466bbb5d-03ed-47b8-becc-cfa877833dbb%40googlegroups.com.
