On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 08:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 9/18/2019 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:25 PM 'Brent Meeker' < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *> **Haven't you ever awoken from surgery? AG * >> >> *>> Yes, and I think I was just the same as before and so does everyone >> else. But maybe I am fundamentally different. How would I know?* >> >> >>> You'd ask people who knew you well. >> > > And if you did that you would hear them make noises with their mouth, but > whatever consciousness is it certainly isn't those mouth noises. If your > lucky you may be able to detect a pattern in those noises that would > indicate intelligence, but you would have to make an additional assumption > to conclude that also indicated consciousness, namely that consciousness is > an inevitable byproduct of intelligence. In the real world everybody makes > that assumption a thousand times a day because the alternative is > solipsism. > > > They question was whether you could find out you were fundamentally > different after an operation. Not whether or not your friends were > conscious. Saibal said "No." apparently based only on the fact that he > couldn't trust introspection. But in that would equally imply he couldn't > tell whether he fundamentally changed from day to day, or minute to minute. > Of course nothing can provide certainty, but your friends saying you act > differently or you don't would be good evidence. It's the same level of > evidence for thinking one another consciousness, but it's broader since you > might be different in some way you were not conscious of. > And if you were different in some way you were not conscious of, it wouldn’t matter. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypWkEf7U5HAfM%2BgAWpmcp%3DZYs2vk-4vUNwjKHdB5ZK0soQ%40mail.gmail.com.
