On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 9:25:11 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote:
>>
>> That's such a silly argument. This only proves there are interactions 
>> between consciousnesses.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 14:25:04 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Samuel Johnson had a good reply to Bishop Berkeley on refuting 
>>> idealism, "If I kick this rock thusly," which Johnson did, "It then kicks 
>>> back." This is not a complete proof, but it works well enough FAPP.
>>>
>>>
> It is not silly. It is empirical. If you are interested in some sort of 
> firm "mathy" type of proof, then I would suggest the burden is more upon 
> you to prove your case that idealism is true.  I have no particular 
> interest in the subject to begin with, so I put the ball in your court. 
> Prove your case. 
>
> LC
>



Empiricism cannot say whether it's (all) matter, consciousness, or numbers.

What makes the latter two dismissible is they do not explain what we know 
of our own consciousness - that it is finite in time and bounded in space.

@philipthrift 

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