> On 27 Oct 2019, at 22:52, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 5:08 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > "[Physical science] was designed to give mathematical models that can > > accurately predict the behavior of matter, and that's gone really well, but > > it was never designed to deal with the subjective qualities of > > consciousness." (@Philip_Goff) > https://edge.org/conversation/philip_goff-a-post-galilean-paradigm > <https://edge.org/conversation/philip_goff-a-post-galilean-paradigm> > > If numbers don't work for describing the subjective qualities of > consciousness there is no evidence words can do any better.
Good! > As Ludwig Wittgenstein said "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in > silence". Maurice Switzer said it even better "It is better to remain silent > at the risk of being thought a fool than to talk and remove all doubt of it”. And Lao-Ze said “the wise man remains silent, the fool does the talking”. And the Löbian universal machine said <>t -> ~[]<>t (a Löbian machine is a universal machine which knows that she is Universal in the Turing-Church-Kleene sense). People can read “<>t -> ~[]<>t” if I am consistent then I cannot prove/assert that I am consistent”. Tarski theorem is somehow even more relevant here, as it shows that a machine cannot even define a notion of truth which encompasses all its assertable sentences. She feels as something bigger than herself exist, which is not even expressible in any third person manner. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv38Vzbe6zDvsdEz6%3DsAYZ56M7vkJd%2BaokBEdn6hfowV%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv38Vzbe6zDvsdEz6%3DsAYZ56M7vkJd%2BaokBEdn6hfowV%3Dw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/D13907AE-20D3-4B60-890B-1CB9FA2AC01B%40ulb.ac.be.
