> On 27 Oct 2019, at 11:34, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 27, 2019 at 5:02:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Oct 2019, at 23:08, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> "[Physical science] was designed to give mathematical models that can >> accurately predict the behavior of matter, and that's gone really well, but >> it was never designed to deal with the subjective qualities of >> consciousness." (@Philip_Goff) >> https://edge.org/conversation/philip_goff-a-post-galilean-paradigm >> <https://edge.org/conversation/philip_goff-a-post-galilean-paradigm> >> > > Yes. Physical science was not designed to talk about (Plato’s) ideas, only > Aristotle matter. That is why it has never got the vocation of a theory of > everything, unlike metaphysics and theology. > > But physicalist makes physics into a theology, which might make sense, but > not if we assume that the brain is Turing emulable in a way relevant for > getting a conscious person. That is not obvious, but result for the UDA. > (Universal Dovetailer Argument or Paradox).
The point is that such an idea of matter (panpsychic or not) is not valid when we assume that there is a is a relevant (for consciousness) level of description which is Turing emulable. If the brain is not Turing emulable, all options are open. Bruno > > Bruno > > > > As I have suggested, it is not about Plato and Aristotle, but Epicurus and > Thales: > > Epicurus: An atomism of physical and psychical "atoms". > Thales: Aristotle got his "matter" idea from him. > > > @phioipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/032c5db3-9eef-4d0c-8ed2-761465981c6e%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/032c5db3-9eef-4d0c-8ed2-761465981c6e%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/06C22C66-2482-45E9-9E8C-AA4696BBFF1B%40ulb.ac.be.
