All this talk about energy conservation has got me thinking about Perpetual
Motion Machines, there are 2 types, both are impossible but one is more
impossible than the other. One type would violate the known laws of
physics, or maybe not; it seems to me that in an accelerating universe it
would be possible, at least in theory, to extract work (force over a
distance) from nothing and keep doing so forever.

The other type of Perpetual Motion Machine would violate the second law of
thermodynamics, you couldn't create energy from nothing but you could keep
recycling the same energy and keep extracting work out of it forever. That
would violate not just a law of physics but a law of logic too. If you
could do that then you could also make entropy decrease, but that would be
illogical because there is no getting around the fact that there are just
more ways something can be disorganized than organized.

John K Clark

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