On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 3:06:48 AM UTC-7, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 9:03 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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> >> If infinite distances makes you squeamish I don't see how you can 
>>> consistently embrace infinite outcomes. And besides this is not 
>>> mathematics, in physics nothing is provably infinite, nobody has ever 
>>> found an infinite number of anything.
>>>
>>
>> *> It's not a matter of, or a case of being squeamish with infinite 
>> outcomes. I just don't see how cosmologists can claim the universe is flat 
>> -- which means infinite in spatial extent -- if it starts small and expands 
>> for a finite time.*
>>
>
> Infinity is not a number, infinity is a process that evolves in time. If a 
> cosmologists says the universe is infinite he means that a pulse of light 
> will keep getting more distant from its starting point and never return.
>

*That's what I mean! Only it's not true if the universe is spherical. Let's 
forget it. These discussions are worthless. AG*
 

> I don't know if the universe is infinite or not but I see nothing 
> obviously absurd with the idea. And when cosmologists say the universe 
> started at a singularity what they mean is it started at a place they don't 
> understand, they never claimed to know everything. In physics "singularity" 
> doesn't mean infinite density or zero volume, it means "our theories break 
> down here and produce ridiculous results".
>
>  John K Clark
>  
>
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