> On 27 Jul 2020, at 23:26, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like Shermer and his sense of humor in the way that liked George Carlin, > with Carlin being the brighter of the two. Beyond this, well maybe mind and > spirit are just old fashioned terms by the ancients (DOTA?) for quantum > electron dynamics skipping the Planck length? If this is the view, then yeah, > everything is material. For philosophy the 'dualism,' ain't Descartes, but > close enough for government work, as we say, stateside. Again, we drift into > Wittgenstein's semiotics! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2020 3:41 pm > Subject: Re: Hegel in a Wired Brain > > You haven't by chance attended this course? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLRdTugBInz1_8dZtuR7G4jWUYj6yVWUsg&time_continue=1&v=CD8HeoZF9cM&feature=emb_logo > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLRdTugBInz1_8dZtuR7G4jWUYj6yVWUsg&time_continue=1&v=CD8HeoZF9cM&feature=emb_logo> > > Brent > > On 7/27/2020 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ...
I did not wrote the text above, and the video illustrate very well what the materialist are doing since 1500 years, by making people believe diverse things without one ounce of evidence. And yes, the text above makes one of the “error” (the truly dishonest mix of ideas) that we can accuse materialist and false mystics to do all the times. I hope you see that my work not only is at the opposite of such technics, but it gives the tools to avoid it, and illustrates that we can do theology with the scientific method, where there is no more question of agreement, but of assessing validity or showing some invalid step in the reasoning. When you quote someone, be careful to mention who you quote, because your post is a bit misleading. The video and my work target the same kind of systematic dishonesty. You said that you are open that the physical universe is not an ontologically existing thing, and so the last point I would like to know is if you have understood that the discovery of the universal machines, and all their computations, in arithmetic, explains the existence of both consciousness and the physical appearances *without* having to make any ontological commitment, except on the truth of 2+2=4 and alike. The discovery of the universal machine in arithmetic reverses the burden of the proof, and as materialist are unable to provide any evidence on primary matter and physicalism, contrary to the mechanist (cf Darwin, Everett) where the evidences abound, we can safely believe that materialism will disappear like vitalisme disappeared in biology, as mere comfortable superstition The physical laws have a reason, a precise and testable reason that we should look upon if interested in metaphysics/theology. Bruno > > >> On 25 Jul 2020, at 19:32, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Sounds interesting from an interesting contemporary philosopher. I think >> (without reading it) that Hegel would be confused at the science we have >> since discovered, and who would blame him? 150 years later, I suspect >> Wittgenstein would've picked up on neurobiology-cognitive science-computing, >> like a shot! This is just my speculation, and thanks for the book >> notification. > > > Hegel missed the Phenomenology of Matter. Phenomenology of Mind or Spirit is > an oxymoron. > > Russell and Wittgenstein missed Gödel’s theorem. > > Lucas and Penrose missed the key fact that PA, PM, ZF, do *not* miss Gödel’s > theorem. > > The neuro-study of brain will teach us a lot on the human and mammal > intelligence, but not so much about consciousness, as it would be like > understanding how deep blue win a chess game by looking at the theory of > electronic transistor. > Consciousness is a high level semantic fixed point. It is the (arithmetical) > truth, when known immediately, which is indubitable and experienced > (first person) yet non rationally definable, and non definable without > invoking the notion truth or reality. All universal number have it, but it is > very plausibly a highly “altered state of consciousness”. It is the initial > state before the first differentiation/histories possibles. > > Bruno > > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Philip Thrift <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: Everything List <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2020 5:29 am >> Subject: Hegel in a Wired Brain >> >> Hegel's 250th birtthday is next month. >> >> >> New book: >> >> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48925362-hegel-in-a-wired-brain >> <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48925362-hegel-in-a-wired-brain> >> >> >> @philipthrift >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> <mailto:[email protected].> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d788fc95-8768-4e4a-ae2a-50f99c41a025o%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d788fc95-8768-4e4a-ae2a-50f99c41a025o%40googlegroups.com>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/864468630.5964261.1595698362805%40mail.yahoo.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/864468630.5964261.1595698362805%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CB213CF2-E714-4FC4-88BC-BC53416918E8%40ulb.ac.be > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CB213CF2-E714-4FC4-88BC-BC53416918E8%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/29cd05b3-ba5e-6436-ab12-b67954176d7a%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/29cd05b3-ba5e-6436-ab12-b67954176d7a%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1636551177.6702060.1595885183875%40mail.yahoo.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1636551177.6702060.1595885183875%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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