This is something that is not likely. What would be the point of this? The purpose of technology is to alleviate drudgery, to transport, to learn things about the world, or to increase information that is accessible to us humans. We don't want information processors that are so advanced they can't relate anything to us. That information most often involves things like *American Idol* and *Faux News*. A few of us with information to stuff such as lattice gauge theory programs and the rest. But we are the very few. A Jupiter brain that we could not even talk to would be of no use. Who would want this? Who would pay for it? It sounds interesting in the abstract, but if this has no utility then nobody will go there.
I advise looking up a book by Tainter, *The Collapse of Complex Civilizations*. Think of how complex our world has become over the last few decades. Coming of age in the late 70s-80s was a time of considerable simplicity, where now everything is dependent on computers. Back then most things were still done locally by hand. Of course it was complex, but nowhere near what we have now. Now if things go haywire, say a Carrington event from the sun, the entire logistical system of the economy would disappear. We would be in big trouble, and I will actually say it is likely something like this likely will in fact happen at some time in the future. A nuclear war of course is the ultimate collapse. Further, the internet is possibly going to interface more with us and then into the brain. We may become as the BORG on Star Trek NG. If things go wrong we would be like the disconnected BORG people stumbling around. If you ever saw the CGI film Wall-E there was a scene where people in that space ark were reduced to being shuttled around in pods as they took their food cans and passively consumed. We might ponder what is wrong with this, and it is this demolishes the individual uniqueness and creativity. Notice how music has become reduced to running a midi-file through a synthesizer processor that repeats every 2 measures and people then chant to this and if they sing there is an auto-pitch corrector. Virtuosity has been lost and it is reduced to a corporate product. All of this and everything we do and work is matrixed into an information network that we must also engage in a mandatory way. The technological trajectory is not taking us outwards into space, but more inwards into cyber-generated fantasies and virtual worlds. The future vision of the past has been turned upside down. In effect we are going nowhere, but we are at the same time running faster and harder to keep up with the information stream that more and more concerns nothing. Even money has gone this way. I remember as a kid a billion dollars seems like a lot and was the big unit of money discussed. Now it is in the trillions of dollars. Has the wealth of this world increased a thousand fold? I don't think so. I think more of these things are big fantasies directed as us, and in the case of money it is done to prop up the holding of billionaires. It is all a Ponzi game. There might be some interesting role we humans or intelligent life play in this universe. I do not have time to go into that now. I doubt though that we are really going anywhere, though there may continue to be some astronaut flights for few more decades. These science fiction schemes, particularly the idea of Kadeshov or Kardasian etc civilization levels I = planets, II= stellar systems, III = galaxy, IV = cosmos and V the multiverse is just an idle fantasy that leans on a little bit of science. We humans are not much more than 7.8 billion ground apes exponentially rampaging out of control. The past, present and future tenure of our species might be summed up as two stone ages separated by a short period of disequilibrium. The first stone age was the Pleistocene when the Earth was rich with biodiversity. The disequilibrium period is civilization and we are potentially near the peak of that. The next stone age will be the anthropocene where Earth will be toxic and in a mass-extinction where humans will be brutally crushed to few in numbers and back to ultimately using stones. LC On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I see this alongside a number of other things that are not likely, such >> as the space elevator or colonizing other star systems. > > > A Jupiter BRAIN could do all those things, in fact for a Jupiter Brain it > would be trivially easy. It would take approximately 10^17 floating point > operations per second to simulate a human brain but a Jupiter Brain could > perform 10^42 floating point operations per second. If you wanted to > simultaneously simulate every human being who ever lived it would only take > about 10^36 floating point operations per second, and even that would be t > rivially easy. And all you need to build a Jupiter Brain is > Nanotechnology. > > Jupiter brains, technological endpoints of civilizations > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmb1tNEGwmo> > > John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/badea90c-9328-4ce6-bea5-2bb206531e27n%40googlegroups.com.
