On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 8:37:34 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:58 PM Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote:\ > > > *> This is something that is not likely. What would be the point of this?* > > > That's like asking what's the point of life. I prefer existence over > oblivion because that's the way my mind is wired. And my brain is wired > that way because of inheritance; if one of my ancestors didn't prefer > existence over nonexistence then he or she wouldn't be an ancestor. And an > AI that didn't prefer existence over oblivion wouldn't be around for very > long. > > > *> The purpose of technology is to alleviate drudgery, to transport, to >> learn things about the world, or to increase information that is accessible >> to us humans.* > > > There is no way you could outsmart something that is smarter than you are, > so we won't be able to order it around, so humans will have their agenda > and a Jupiter Brain will have its own, and those two agendas may or may not > be compatible; In fact I'd say if it turns out that cryonics doesn't work > that would be my best guess as to why it was unsuccessful. So even if I > embrace cryonics I may still face oblivion, but if I don't embrace cryonics > I will certainly face oblivion. I think the logical choice is obvious. > > > *> We don't want information processors that are so advanced they can't >> relate anything to us.* > > > It doesn't matter what we want, that may be what we're gonna end up > getting. > > > *> We may become as the BORG on Star Trek NG. If things go wrong we would >> be like the disconnected BORG people stumbling around.* > > > Maybe. If you take the liquid nitrogen path there is an endless list of > "maybes", but if you want absolute certainty then it's easy to achieve, > just don't take the cryonics path and let worms do their thing. > > > *> These science fiction schemes, particularly the idea of Kadeshov or >> Kardasian etc civilization levels I = planets, II= stellar systems, III = >> galaxy, IV = cosmos and V the multiverse is just an idle fantasy* > > > Have you found an error in John Von Neumann's work that proves his probe > won't work? > > John K Clark >
The main point I am making is that lots of future predictions do not happen. There have been a number of big "pie in the sky" ideas that have come and gone. Real science and technology have progressed in directions often not predicted. The big wheel in space, Luna city and piloted missions to Mars and Jupiter have simply not happened. The Elon Musk program is not going to work either. One thing that has happened is the idea science as the basis for explanation for the universe has in the minds of some people also come to replace religion. The decline of religion as an intellectual basis has seen the growth of ideas about a future where science and technology provide the promises usually attributed to religion. In the case of N2 freezing this involves immortality, or at least unbounded lifespan that avoids mortality. This is often accompanied with various economic ideas. I happen to find these types of idea highly questionable. LC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ae0a2057-79e5-46de-9812-8dbda2d8519dn%40googlegroups.com.
