> On 16 Aug 2020, at 00:41, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Why not adopt ultra-determinism. Since Everettians insist on strictly > determinist evolution it's plausible that Alice and Bob's choices are > determined too...they're not unphysical beings . > > There's a difference between living in a universe where everything has a > cause, and living in a universe where nature conspires to fool us, as with > Descartes's evil demon.
I agree. Super-determinism is about the same as saying “because God made it that way”. It is not an explanation, but an invitation to not pursue the search. It is about the same as "shut up and calculate” or “shut up and pray (and give us money by the same token)”. I think that de-Broglie/Bohm wave-pilot theory is also a form of superdeterminism (which happens to be hardly covariant). It does look like "conspiracy theories" indeed. This one adds infinitely many zombies in the picture, but I do think t’Hooft form of super determinism will also entail many zombies, although I have never thought on that… Plausibly. Bruno > > Jason > > > Brent > > On 8/15/2020 1:19 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> Bell’s theorem demonstrates locality and realism cannot be true of a quantum >> system. If one performs measurements of observables, eigenvalues that real, >> then locality does not apply. Wigner’s friend argument illustrates how we >> can show reality may be abandoned. The following experiment illustrates >> this. Two observers may witness nature in ways that are not commensurate >> with each other. The observer then cannot be completely removed from nature. >> >> https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.05080 <https://arxiv.org/abs/1902.05080> >> >> This is a Bell type of experiment where locality is imposed, but two >> observers witness two different version of reality. There is then a loss of >> objectivity to reality, which is the flip side or dual to the standard Bell >> inequality violation used to demonstrate nonlocality. >> >> LC >> >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 9:45:10 AM UTC-5 Jason wrote: >> https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/ >> >> <https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/> >> >> Jason >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e4c6e6b8-dba4-4eec-a682-6b416ffde0f4n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e4c6e6b8-dba4-4eec-a682-6b416ffde0f4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/11371009-732e-750a-a639-4b7ec3ae0bd7%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/11371009-732e-750a-a639-4b7ec3ae0bd7%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhqwTOr_ku-D%2BeBipau4hhoNhTZnRvYW0z0rGAvrCMutg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhqwTOr_ku-D%2BeBipau4hhoNhTZnRvYW0z0rGAvrCMutg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8984F9BA-304E-4CFC-805C-97C6604B0285%40ulb.ac.be.
