Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? The movie listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave a pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu wrote: >> It’s available on YouTube. You could rent it for as little as $4, as long as >> you finish viewing it within 2 days once your start playing. >> >> Thanks for recommending it. I just viewed it. My wife said that it’s stupid >> for the boy to trust the AI girl, Ava, so he got what he deserved. > > Too funny! That's hardly the point. AG >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 21:26, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Alas not available on Netflix Australia. It'll have to wait until >> > if/when I subscribe to Amazon Prime briefly. >> > >> > I'm also not really prepared to purchase a VPN just to watch other >> > countries' Netflix connections, for much the same reason as I only >> > subscribe to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I >> > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. >> > >> > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! >> > >> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, >> >> science >> >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic bells >> >> and >> >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. Recently, >> >> we >> >> have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can test for it >> >> in the >> >> context of AI. I claimed that we could do some superficial surgery to >> >> determine >> >> whether the subject of the test was a robot or a conscious entity. But >> >> this is >> >> completely mistaken. All that that would reveal is whether the subject >> >> was >> >> artificial, not whether it was "conscious". The subject could have been a >> >> black >> >> box, and still showing signs of what we can't really define; >> >> consciousness. I >> >> think Ex Machina provides an answer of what we need to look for. Please >> >> view it >> >> and report back. But do NOT read the plot, say in Wiki. It's a spoiler. >> >> AG >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> >> "Everything List" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> >> email >> >> to [email protected]. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ >> >> everything-list/6c3c8eba-542c-45a6-a79f-ca54202fdcc8o%40googlegroups.com. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> > Principal, High Performance Coders [email protected] >> > http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> > email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/20200816012618.GA5850%40zen. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d59348ac-d359-4164-a7e8-45c78bb0e6bbo%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/BB5BA57B-7206-4F9C-96DF-BA7AFAFD451E%40gmail.com.
