On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:24 AM Beixiao Robert Liu <[email protected]> wrote:
> *according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm of the > mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh and > eighth cognition. And that seventh and eight cognition is what > distinguishes a life being from a non life being.* This doesn't just involve AI's, how does Buddha figure out if one of his fellow human beings is conscious or not, or is alive or not? John K Clark In Buddhism teachings, a human has eight cognitions. The first five are > related to our physical world: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch. > > Then there are three related to our spiritual world. > > The sixth cognition is our thinking and emotions. This is where our > repository of knowledge is located. All the human knowledge of philosophy, > science, technology, arts belongs to the sixth cognition. This includes > mental consciousness, sub-consciousness and these related concepts. > > Then the seventh and eighth senses are uniquely oriental and are near the > core theory of Buddhism. The eighth sense is easier to explain than the > seventh. > > The eighth sense is the “real-self”, or an inaccurate equivalent of > “soul”, that’s the constant between incarnations, regardless one’s life > takes the form of this human or that life being on earth. > > The seven sense can be roughly said as something between the sixth > cognition - our day-to-day thinking - and the eighth cognition. The seventh > cognition enables us to perform all the deep and thorough thinking at the > sixth cognition level. > > Therefore, according to Buddhism teachings, AI may venture into the realm > of the mental consciousness, but will never be able to reach the seventh > and eighth cognition. And that seventh and eight cognition is what > distinguishes a life being from a non life being. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu > wrote: >> >> Well, if the inquiry here concerns consciousness, then the question of >> whether a human should trust the AI, or whether the AI has the capacity to >> be trusted by a human, ought to be part of the inquiry, right? The movie >> listed others elements: compassion, sympathy, etc. I guess I was just using >> my wife’s off-the-cuff comment as a convenient way to suggest that Caleb >> might set the wrong threshold in his Turing test; and as a result, he gave >> a pass to the AI too easily, which later proved fatally wrong. >> > > Sorry. Maybe my comment was too flippant. I just don't think Caleb's > mistake in trusting the AI relates to whether the AI is conscious. AG > >> >> On Aug 15, 2020, at 23:29, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:54:35 PM UTC-6, Beixiao Robert Liu >> wrote: >>> >>> It’s available on YouTube. You could rent it for as little as $4, as >>> long as you finish viewing it within 2 days once your start playing. >>> >>> Thanks for recommending it. I just viewed it. My wife said that it’s >>> stupid for the boy to trust the AI girl, Ava, so he got what he deserved. >> >> >> Too funny! That's hardly the point. AG >> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Aug 15, 2020, at 21:26, Russell Standish <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Alas not available on Netflix Australia. It'll have to wait until >>> > if/when I subscribe to Amazon Prime briefly. >>> > >>> > I'm also not really prepared to purchase a VPN just to watch other >>> > countries' Netflix connections, for much the same reason as I only >>> > subscribe to one streamer - so it might have to wait until if/when I >>> > do live in a country that has it in the Netflix catalogue. >>> > >>> > The tangled web of movie copyright arrangements... Bah! >>> > >>> >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >> If you haven't viewed it, please do so. It's about the Turing Test, >>> science >>> >> fiction, but the "special effects" aren't primarily photographic >>> bells and >>> >> whistles, but the dialogue. the text, the logic of the script. >>> Recently, we >>> >> have argued about consciousness, what it is, and how we can test for >>> it in the >>> >> context of AI. I claimed that we could do some superficial surgery to >>> determine >>> >> whether the subject of the test was a robot or a conscious entity. >>> But this is >>> >> completely mistaken. All that that would reveal is whether the >>> subject was >>> >> artificial, not whether it was "conscious". The subject could have >>> been a black >>> >> box, and still showing signs of what we can't really define; >>> consciousness. I >>> >> think Ex Machina provides an answer of what we need to look for. >>> Please view it >>> >> and report back. But do NOT read the plot, say in Wiki. It's a >>> spoiler. 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