On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 1:47 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:51:13 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote:
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>> I noticed that Victor Stenger's position on entropy, as described here:
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.4359.pdf on page 7, appears to be the same as
>> described by the  cosmologist David Layzer in a 1975 issue of Scientific
>> American:
>> https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/media/pdf/2008-05-21_1975-carroll-story.pdf
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>> The basic idea, which is described graphically here:
>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/layzer/arrow_of_time.html
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>> It is a counter-argument to the commonly expressed idea that the universe
>> began in a low entropy state. Rather, it explains how the expansion of the
>> universe increases the state of maximum possible entropy. If the universe
>> expands more quickly than an equilibrium can be reached, then there is room
>> for complexity (information / negative entropy) to increase.
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>> Why is it that the "low entropy" myth is so persistent, and this
>> alternate explanation is so little known? Some physicists, such as Penrose
>> are still looking for alternate explanations for the special low entropy
>> state.  What fraction of physicists are aware of Stenger's/Layzer's view?
>> Does it appear in any physics textbooks? Has it been refuted?
>>
>> Jason
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> *If the very early universe is a hot photon gas, wouldn't that be a very
> high entropy initial condition? Why would anyone think the initial state is
> low entropy? AG*
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Entropy could begin at or near it's maximum, but if the maximum entropy
grows faster than the actual entropy, it provides room for entropy to grow.
See: https://informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/layzer/



Jason

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