On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:37 AM Lawrence Crowell <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>
>> I noticed that Victor Stenger's position on entropy, as described here:
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.4359.pdf on page 7, appears to be the same as
>> described by the  cosmologist David Layzer in a 1975 issue of Scientific
>> American:
>> https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/media/pdf/2008-05-21_1975-carroll-story.pdf
>>
>> The basic idea, which is described graphically here:
>> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/scientists/layzer/arrow_of_time.html
>>
>> It is a counter-argument to the commonly expressed idea that the universe
>> began in a low entropy state. Rather, it explains how the expansion of the
>> universe increases the state of maximum possible entropy. If the universe
>> expands more quickly than an equilibrium can be reached, then there is room
>> for complexity (information / negative entropy) to increase.
>>
>> Why is it that the "low entropy" myth is so persistent, and this
>> alternate explanation is so little known? Some physicists, such as Penrose
>> are still looking for alternate explanations for the special low entropy
>> state.  What fraction of physicists are aware of Stenger's/Layzer's view?
>> Does it appear in any physics textbooks? Has it been refuted?
>>
>> Jason
>>
>
> With quantum fields in spacetime there is no equilibrium.  Think of a
> black hole of mass M and temperature T = ħc^3/8πkGM = 1/8πm in a background
> region with equal temperature. The black hole can absorb or emit a unit of
> mass δm m → m ± δm so the temperature changes as T → T ∓ δT. This means the
> temperature will always drift away from any equilibrated temperature. There
> is then no thermal equilibrium or maximum entropy.
>
> The only way to prevent a black hole from this sort of runaway situation
> is to place it in a box so if it emits Hawking radiation it is reflected
> back to the black hole and reabsorbed. The only ideal box is the anti-de
> Sitter spacetime. This then leads to the black hole quantum states in an
> entanglement with the boundary fields of the AdS which are by the Maldecena
> AdS/CFT result dual to a quantum conformal field theory (CFT) of one
> dimension less. If the AdS is three dimensions this is AdS_3 ≃ CFT_2, which
> is the Virasoro algebra of the bosonic string. For AdS_4 we have CFT_3 that
> is an N = 2 supersymmetric Yang Mills CFT. This corresponds to the BTZ
> black hole in and AdS_3. For AdS_5 this is CFT_4 for the N = 4 SYM CFT.
>
> This leads to a bit of a conundrum. The AdS has Λ < 0, which in the case
> of the bosonic string defines its negative vacuum plus tachyon state. Yet
> clearly, we do not live in this sort of universe. I published a paper
> recently though that illustrates how the vacuum between two black holes in
> near collision is approximately AdS_4. We live in a spacetime with Λ ≥ 0,
> with equality only a local approximation. This is the Vafa swampland
> situation, where the de Sitter (like) spacetime we observe, say FLRW, is
> some broken symmetry physics from the AdS. Now interestingly this involves
> some increase in vacuum energy. An AdS spacetime has causal regions
> separated by timelike boundaries, and on these boundaries are CFTs. These
> may include gauge-like gravity with the emergence of an induced metric with
> Λ ≥ 0. Also, hyperbolic subsets in AdS, analogous to arcs in the Poincare
> ½-plane or disk, may be defects with Lanscoz junction condition for a
> positive vacuum there. This would then be a holographic screen
> corresponding to de Sitter spacetime. This might then be the dS spacetime
> of eternal inflation.
>
> This leads then back to the entropy condition of the early universe. The
> entropy of the inflationary spacetime is determined by the area of the
> local horizon. This is really very small ≃ 10^{10} Planck areas at most.
> Remember that in QFT in curved spacetime area of a horizon or holographic
> screen = entropy. A local region of this spacetime then quantum tunnels
> into a false vacuum of much lower energy corresponding to the cosmological
> constant we observe. The entropy of fields then was much smaller than the
> horizon scale expanded to 10^{10} light years. This gives entropy lots of
> room to grow, and this is reflected in the mass-gap between the
> inflationary false vacuum and the physical vacuum and sets in reheating.
> This generates radiation and particles.  So the upshot is that the entropy
> of the early universe set by the inflationary dS spacetime, but quantum
> transitioned into a region that had much lower temperature. Hence there was
> a huge disequilibrium situation that defined the resulting big bang.
>
>
>
Thanks Lawrence for your detailed reply. It is helpful, though I was not
familiar with most of the terminology, the last paragraph made sense to me.

Jason

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