[Philip Benjamin] >From an observational scientific perspective, who annoys whom, when, how and >why? Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:04 AM To: Everything List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Stenger on Initial Low Entropy: Consciousness is those annoying periods between sleep. LC On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 9:11:19 AM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote: [email protected] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Friday, October 16, 2020 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Stenger on Initial Low Entropy [Philip Benjamin] “Is consciousness continuous or discrete? Maybe it's both, argue researchers?, asks Michel Herzong et al. They refer to the “Zombie within”. Augustine, the chief architect of Western Civilization, raised the same question in the 4—th Century. The “Zombie within” has got to be non-entropic, if it is immortal. That is discussed t in the following post: [email protected] [email protected] Subject: RE: News: Is consciousness continuous or discrete? Maybe it's both, argue researchers [Michel Herzong, Leila Drili-Daoudi, and Adrien Doerig]. Trends in Cognitive Sciences, "All in good time: long-lasting postdictive effects reveal discrete perception" https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tics.2020.07.001 “ Two major theories have fueled a now 1,500 year-long debate started by Saint Augustine: Is consciousness continuous, where we are conscious at each single point in time, or is it discrete, where we are conscious only at certain moments of time? In an Opinion published September 3, in the journal Trends in Cognitive Sciences, psychophysicists answer this centuries-old question with a new model, one that combines both continuous moments and discrete points of time. In psychology, research has focused less on how long a conscious percept lasts. Rather it has asked whether we are conscious at all times or only at certain discrete moments of time”. [Philip Benjamin] Herzong’s “zombie within”, or Augustine’s “inner man” or Plato’s “soul” are all ideas based on dualism which is not relevant today in the light of “dark-matter” and its possible chemistry. Astrophysical light-matter is mostly H and He, while biophysical light-matter consists of 92+ elements of the Periodic Table. Similarly, astrophysical dark-matter may correspond to mostly H and He, while biophysical dark-matter (or bio dark-matter) may correspond to 92+ elements. Human body is made of light-matter and its chemistry. It is electric, entropic, and mortal. Human “self” (or soul) is made of dark-matter and its chemistry. If “Self” is made of dark-matter via its chemistry, the “Self” is nonelectric, nonentropic, conscious and immortal. The “Light & Dark” twin bodies are cocreated at the moment of conception. Sub atomic particles of dark-matter may be monopoles, axions and/or neutrinos with negligible masses relative to electrons, but with the same mass ratios as in light-matter atoms. Chemistry means chemical bonds which are spin-governed subatomic particle configurations of duets & octets. This leads to ordinary physicality of light matter with its chemistry and extraordinary physicality of dark-matter with its chemistry. Dualism is a moot point here. Neither Plato nor Augustine had the benefits of the knowledge of dark-matter and its chemistry. However, it is not excusable today for any reasonable physical scientist to ignore the two different forms of physicality. Resonance between the twin bodies is the basis of self-awareness. Resonance is rudimentary recognition. This involves natural frequencies and therefore will be a continuous process. The non-entropic self is immortal, but the “Self” itself may be a twin composite, one made of one kind of dark-matter (the three flavors of neutrinos) and the other of a different kind (axions and monopoles). The difference by an order of magnitude across the taxa of biophoton emission rates have been discussed elsewhere including the publication “Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit”. The missing bio-mass in the growth and death of organisms (California worms) in hermetically sealed tubes has bee reported by Amrit Sorli (Journal of Theoretics Vol.4-2 The Additional Mass of Life By Dott Ing and Amrit Sorli; https://core.ac.uk/display/21767122). Best regards Philip Benjamin CC. Michel Herzong, Ph.D., École Polytechnique, Switzerland Notes: Most ancient philosophers, including 4- th Century Augustine, considered human being as a compound of body and soul. The soul is both the life-giving element and the center of consciousness, perception and thought. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/augustine/ “How can soul fulfil its task of “governing” the body (cf. De quantitate animae 22) if it is incorporeal itself? And how are corporeal and psychic aspects related to each other in phenomena that involve both body and soul, especially if, like passions and desires, these are morally relevant? These problems are further complicated by the Platonic axiom that incorporeal entities, being ontologically prior to corporeal ones, cannot be causally affected by them. Augustine’s solution is indebted to Plotinus’ strategy of making the relation of the soul to the bodily affections an essentially cognitive one”. According to Prof. Herzong, “Unconscious processing is continuous but conscious precepts are restricted to certain short moments of time…. Change cannot be perceived immediately. It can only be perceived after it has happened….. It’s the unconscious zombie within us that has excellent spatial/temporal resolution,” Herzog says. …. The thoughts and surroundings are unconsciously updated, and your conscious self uses the updates to see if they make sense. If not, then you change your route. Conscious processing is overestimated”. The dark unconscious processing period is more weighty. One just believes in being conscious at each moment of time. “Conversely, the idea of discrete perception , the concept that humans are only conscious at certain moments in time, does not define the duration of these discrete moments. http://augnet.org/en/works-of-augustine/his-spiritual-tradition/2238-interiority/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/fernandezelizabeth/2020/09/06/is-consciousness-continuous-like-a-movie-or-discrete-like-a-flipbook/#69052bf53101 http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm#10 http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm#11 https://infidels.org/library/modern/andrew_melnyk/physicalism.html Melnyk, Andrew (2007). A Case for Physicalism about the Human Mind However, scientists, philosophers, and neuroscientists have debated this for 1,500 years. St. Augustine, one of the great early philosophers of the mind, pondered how we could be present in short periods of time, but yet still perceive motion. Even farther back the Abhidharma school of Buddhism discussed discrete events of consciousness rather than a continual flow. https://scit echdaily.com/is-consciousness-continuous-or-discrete-scientists-think-its-both/<http://echdaily.com/is-consciousness-continuous-or-discrete-scientists-think-its-both/> https://neurosciencenews.com/consciousn ess-continuous-discrete-16958/<https://neurosciencenews.com/consciousn%20ess-continuous-discrete-16958/> https://voegelinview.com/paradox-consciousness-augustines-confessions-voegelinian-reading-part/ https://sites.google.com/site/hollysrevisionofreligion/home/religious-ethics/ethical-theory/conscience/augustine-of-hippo-and-his-view-of-the-conscience ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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