On 18-01-2021 18:03, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Am 18.01.2021 um 01:01 schrieb Lawrence Crowell:
There are molecules that already do this. DNA and polypeptides are
sequences that are in effect codes.

Yes, this is exactly the point by the prize. The question is to show
how something like this could happen spontaneously.

Evgeny


It requires violating local thermodynamic equilibrium. I'm working on an article and a few presentations for upcoming conferences where I explain this in detail. This then proves that none of the current models for prebiotic chemistry can explain the origin of life. A viable scenario is to get to a large random organic structure forged in an interstellar ice grain, where organic molecules at low temperatures under UV irradiation will only interact with nearest neighbors. Thermodynamic equilibrium is never reached, the system moves farther and farther away from this as the reactions under UV radiation continue. This way one gets to large so-called percolation clusters of organic molecules that have a random structure.

Such random organic structures look totally useless to explain the origin of life, because what you want are the very specific molecules that are involved in the biochemical processes in living organisms. However, the structure of these random organic molecules is such that it has interior structures with compartments containing large random polymers and random interior surface structures. These can then serve as micro-environments within which prebiotic chemistry under normal local thermodynamic equilibrium conditions can work. With a finite number of N structures in a compartment one will break symmetries such as chiral symmetry at a level of 1/sqrt(N). Small molecules can escape the compartments via pores in the random structure while large molecules get trapped inside.

Saibal



LC

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 12:28:18 PM UTC-6 use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:

"How do you get from chemicals to code? How do you get a code without
designing one?"

"What You Must Do to Win The Prize

You must arrange for a digital communication system to emerge or
self-evolve without "cheating." The diagram below describes the system. Without explicitly designing the system, your experiment must generate
an encoder that sends digital code to a decoder. Your system needs to
transmit at least five bits of information. (In other words it has to be
able to represent 32 states. The genetic code supports 64.) "

https://www.herox.com/evolution2.0



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