[Philip Benjamin]
The premise "If "1Infinity" Is the number of odd integers and "2infinity"
is the number of even integers and 3infinity" is the number of points" is
actually "Infinity1 (odd integers) + Infinity2 (even integers) + Infinity3 (odd
+ even) = 1 Infinity (numbers). Points do not mix with numbers in the same
frame of reference.
As for Muhammad, he is a historical fact: 300-700 years of domination in
Western Europe (from Italy to Spain), still dominant in Eastern and central
Europe and the old Byzantine Empire, 1000 years in India (eventually the
British Empire stopped it, India became free from Britain, probably never could
have from Muslim rulers). There was indeed a "change of consciousness" by
forced conversions.
That is not what "transformed" the civilized and erudite Phoenician pagan
Augustine (of Greco-Roman roots). It was a free and willing obedience to what
he considered a "call"
(https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine), through the
instrumentality of a child's song. Science cannot ignore the facts of history.
Augustinian transformation of individual consciousness contributed to creating
an atmosphere for science and technology to develop. Islam forced conversion of
mathematicians and scientists and artists of an Augustinian ethos. In fact
European nations would not have explored new ocean routes to the East, if the
Muslim rulers had not closed the land routes to the East. (Most probably India
might still have been under Muslim rule). There is a noticeable historical
difference between "Koranic change" and "Scriptural Quickening or Regeneration"
of individual consciousness.
Nafs is an Arabic word used in the Quran, literally meaning "self". I is
translated as "psyche", "ego" or "soul". In the Quran, the word is used in both
the individualistic (verse 2:48) and collective sense (verse 4:1). The
soul/spirit in the Scriptures is always individualistic. As I have mentioned in
the previous post ancient languages such as Hebrew, Sanskrit, Greek and Latin
have soul/spirit derived from the roots of Breath/breeze. When the last breath
was gone, life ceased. So the ancients considered soul/spirit of life as
something akin to wind. Had they known bio dark matter with its chemistry, most
likely they might have used that instead!!!
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words,
definitions, and Many "Worlds")
On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:42 AM Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> You are entirely right to sate: "400 years ago Galileo found a way of
> converting one reference frame to another that worked very well as long as
> the speeds involved we're not extremely large, and when they were Einstein
> found a way 100 years ago that could be used to develop an entirely
> consistent way of converting one reference frame into another that also
> conformed with all known experimental results". There is no logical fallacy
> here. The fallacy arises when categories are mixed in the two separate frames
> of reference.
Your first mistake was using the term "frames of reference" because it's used
appropriately in physics but not in pure mathematics, such as the study of
infinity in set theory, and not in philosophy, and you were doing both.
> "Mixing categories" is not "converting reference-frames". Infinity1 (odd
> numbers) + Infinity2 (even numbers) + Infinity3 (odd + even) = 1 Infinity
> (numbers). The essence here is "numbers".
No, you're still dead wrong. If "1Infinity" Is the number of odd integers and
"2infinity" is the number of even integers and "3infinity" is the number of
points on a line then 1Infinity + 2infinity is NOT equal to the 3infinity
number.
> To go back to Samiya Illias comment on Koranic [blah blah]
No thanks, I'd rather not go back to the silly myths an obscure iron age tribe
had 1,400 years ago. Humanity has been there and done that, it's time to look
for something better, much better. With a mountain of important relevant new
information being discovered every day giving us clues into the nature of
reality why anybody would be willing to spend one nanosecond studying this
ancient nonsense is beyond me.
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