[Philip Benjamin] Why or how physical signals are transduced into qualia? Has any scientist or philosopher ever answered that question? Basically sense organs transduce physical energy into a nervous signal or conscious feeling of a "property" or "quale". It may be magical or illusory to science, but is factual, actual and real!! Conscious of what and what is consciousness are two different questions. Self-consciousness is being conscious of the "self". It cannot be real if "self" is unreal. For "self" to be real but INVISIBLE, the only candidate now available for science is bio dark-matter with its chemistry. Nobody but nobody is going to even consider that as a remote possibility. The anathemas associated with spirit/soul soon grip the 'soul' of science!! The strange irony here is that there are no such taboos with mysticism-Niels Bohr's Taoism or Jungian sorceries for examples. Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Evgenii Rudnyi Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:06 PM To: Everything List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Carlo Rovelli: The Old Fisherman's Mistake I have read Rovelli's paper. I am disappointed. What Rovelli suggest is eliminativism. Red (a) (what I see) does not exist but red (b) (electromagnetic wave peaking near 564-580 nm) exists. Rovelli should have read first: Donald D. Hoffman. The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes, 2019. Evgenii Brent schrieb am Sonntag, 28. März 2021 um 00:35:27 UTC+1: -------- Forwarded Message -------- The Old Fisherman's Mistake ROVELLI, Carlo (2021) Abstract A number of thorny issues such as the nature of time, free will, the clash of the manifest and scientific images, the possibility of a naturalistic foundation of morality, and perhaps even the possibility of accounting for consciousness in naturalistic terms, seem to me to be plagued by the conceptual confusion nourished by a single fallacy: the old fisherman's mistake. http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/18837/1/Pescatore.pdf<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fphilsci-archive.pitt.edu%2F18837%2F1%2FPescatore.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ccd51e3ffac4640d0a06a08d8f2e5a20b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637526415363852626%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MQMSlqvY2E1p6hpg%2FbHn0vuAOj38lxzFVrHZrgGvV54%3D&reserved=0> Rovelli has it exactly right. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SA0PR11MB470408CC110F7E0A3637CC8DA87D9%40SA0PR11MB4704.namprd11.prod.outlook.com.
