A bit long, but this interview of of the very lucid Hedda Mørch (pronounced "Mark") is very good:(for consciousness "realists"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilsMtCPHyw via https://twitter.com/onemorebrown/status/1386970910230523906 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 8:38:32 AM UTC-5 Terren Suydam wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> *> consciousness is harder to work with than intelligence, because it's >>> harder to make progress.* >> >> >> It's not hard to make progress in consciousness research, it's >> impossible. >> > > So we should ignore experiments where you stimulate the brain and the > subject reports experiencing some kind of qualia, in a repeatable way. Why > doesn't that represent progress? Is it because you don't trust people's > reports? > > >> >> *> Facts that might slay your theory are much harder to come by.* >> >> >> Such facts are not hard to come by. they're impossible to come by. So >> for a consciousness scientist being lazy works just as well as being >> industrious, so consciousness research couldn't be any easier, just face a >> wall, sit on your hands, and contemplate your navel. >> > > There are fruitful lines of research happening. Research on patients > undergoing meditation, and psychedelic experiences, while in an FMRI has > lead to some interesting facts. You seem to think progress can only mean > being able to prove conclusively how consciousness works. Progress can mean > deepening our understanding of the relationship between the brain and the > mind. > > Terren > > >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> >> . >> >> >> . >> >> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3BkpBXW%3Dq-nX--Dss4ogXXACeswwCnkiwcaWu-un01cg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3BkpBXW%3Dq-nX--Dss4ogXXACeswwCnkiwcaWu-un01cg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d963be0a-9393-4680-b77f-6f32011a44b0n%40googlegroups.com.
