> On 10 May 2021, at 13:30, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > An old warning and piece of advice is in order. Never try to teach a pig to > sing. If you do you get covered in mud and you just really piss off a pig.
Really? We might discuss one day if the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings, ha ha… All universal machine can understand, pig includes. If they don’t, it is a symptom of prejudices, brainwashing, … Bruno > > LC > > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 7:51:38 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 16 Apr 2021, at 04:36, spudboy100 via Everything List >> <[email protected] >> <applewebdata://2CFA72C2-98D0-4A17-9424-C58DB453FAAB>> wrote: >> >> >> Have you considered that you are limiting the capability of the cosmos to >> change and adapt? > > … change and adapt to what? With Mechanism, we cannot invoke our personal > ontological commitment, especially when doing Metaphysics. > > No, I agree that there is an apparent cosmos, a persistent illusion, and it > might or not be seen as adapting itself to the reality of the number > relations. It has not much choice in this “matter”. > > > > >> It may have a feature that may have fooled Turing, until Turing caught on, >> because given enough time and health, Turing is adaptable too? > > To be sure Turing was a naturalist. He missed the contradiction with (weak) > materialism. But if you meant the Church-Turing thesis; I tend to think that > this is a very serious thesis. I would need some solid argument to tell it > refuted. Then, Mechanism itself is my working hypothesis, although I can > argue that there are many evidence, and none for materialism, like the greek > already understood less formally. > > Bruno > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] >> <applewebdata://2CFA72C2-98D0-4A17-9424-C58DB453FAAB>> >> To: [email protected] >> <applewebdata://2CFA72C2-98D0-4A17-9424-C58DB453FAAB> >> Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2021 6:16 am >> Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not >> released on April 1st) >> >> >>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 04:44, spudboy100 via Everything List >>> <[email protected] >>> <applewebdata://2CFA72C2-98D0-4A17-9424-C58DB453FAAB>> wrote: >>> >>> How about this article and embedded paper, from some physicists employed by >>> Microsoft? >>> >>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/microsoft-helped-physicists-explore-the-nature-of-the-universes-evolution/ar-BB1fuo5k >>> >>> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/microsoft-helped-physicists-explore-the-nature-of-the-universes-evolution/ar-BB1fuo5k> >>> >>> Basically, that the cosmos is really a self-learning computer is a >>> conclusion that suggests that laws are hard to pin down because the >>> "Operating System," (Blessed, be He-She-It-Them) is always coming up with >>> new understandings? >> >> >> The physical universe cannot be a computer, because that implies Mechanism, >> but Mechanism makes the physical universe into a non computable statistics >> on all (relative) computations, which cannot be emulated by any computer. >> >> If “I” am a machine, Reality is not Turing emulable, and the physical >> reality too. We already know that the arithmetical reality is not Turing >> emulable. >> >> In fact, the physical universe cannot be an ontological reality. It is not a >> thing, but a first person plural experience. (Assuming Descartes + Turing…). >> >> Bruno > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e53d20bb-ed2f-481f-b7a6-c3b1d69d8768n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e53d20bb-ed2f-481f-b7a6-c3b1d69d8768n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/BB4F6467-7C85-4AF0-BFF9-5670CC672FC1%40ulb.ac.be.
